Author Topic: best players in big xii history (Read 17233 times)

massofcatfan · « **on:** March 03, 2015, 01:10:56 PM »

1/2: Beasley/Durant
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everyone else

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:17:05 PM »

Blake Griffin is the clear #3.

kslim · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:21:17 PM »

do you even pullen bro?

gtfo with that everyone else bullshit.

TBL · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:30:46 PM »

A lil old school, but I'd put Mike Evans and Chuckie Williams in the top 5. Evans is still the only college player, I know of, who could throw up a half court hook shot and not be riding the bench afterwards (although making the shot prolly did help).

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:32:39 PM »

Quote from: TBL on March 03, 2015, 01:30:46 PM

A lil old school, but I'd put Mike Evans and Chuckie Williams in the top 5. Evans is still the only college player, I know of, who could throw up a half court hook shot and not be riding the bench afterwards (although making the shot prolly did help).

grandpa?

TBL · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:34:04 PM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on March 03, 2015, 01:32:39 PM

Quote from: TBL on March 03, 2015, 01:30:46 PM
A lil old school, but I'd put Mike Evans and Chuckie Williams in the top 5. Evans is still the only college player, I know of, who could throw up a half court hook shot and not be riding the bench afterwards (although making the shot prolly did help).

grandpa?

Yes, I was at that game.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:34:23 PM »

Quote from: TBL on March 03, 2015, 01:30:46 PM

A lil old school, but I'd put Mike Evans and Chuckie Williams in the top 5. Evans is still the only college player, I know of, who could throw up a half court hook shot and not be riding the bench afterwards (although making the shot prolly did help).

They didn't play in the Big XII

massofcatfan · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:35:05 PM »

a) I was thinking big xii not big 8

b) I should have differentiated somehow "most talented" or "best one-year season" vs. best ever

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2015, 01:50:13 PM »

1st team All Americans is a good place to start:

2012 Thomas Robinson
2009 Blake Griffin
2008 Michael Beasley
2008 DJamer Augustine
2007 Kevin Durant
2007 Acie Law
2005 Wayne Simien
2003 Nick Collison
2003 TJ Ford
2002 Drew Gooden
2000 Marcus Fizer
2000 Chris Mihm
1998 Paul Pierce
1998 Raef LaFrentz
1997 Raef LaFrentz

kslim · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:07:15 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on March 03, 2015, 01:50:13 PM

1st team All Americans is a good place to start:

~~2012 Thomas Robinson~~
2009 Blake Griffin
2008 Michael Beasley
~~2008 DJamer Augustine~~
2007 Kevin Durant
2007 Acie Law
2005 Wayne Simien
2003 Nick Collison
2003 TJ Ford
2002 Drew Gooden
2000 Marcus Fizer
2000 Chris Mihm
1998 Paul Pierce
1998 Raef LaFrentz
1997 Raef LaFrentz

there you go, add pullen and whamo

Spracne · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:08:45 PM »

Do you mean best career in the Big 12, or best player to come from the Big 12?

Skipper44 · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:22:48 PM »

his career really flamed out at the end but Jamal Tinsley winning a big 12 title with the like of Paul Shirley and Jake Sullivan makes him the best pg in the big 12 era for my money

Mr Bread · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:31:49 PM »

I never got to see old Raef LaFrentz play. Pretty good?

Skipper44 · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:45:46 PM »

Quote from: Mr Bread on March 03, 2015, 02:31:49 PM

I never got to see old Raef LaFrentz play. Pretty good?

he was pretty damn athletic before his knee problems, never a great defender and physical teams could push him around a bit, those late 90s KU teams were so loaded

Kat Kid · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:46:50 PM »

Quote from: Spracne on March 03, 2015, 02:08:45 PM

Do you mean best career in the Big 12, or best player to come from the Big 12?

I think best seasons would be more interesting. Because that is closer to the first part (the second part would probably rely more on NBA data) but doesn't discount a one-and-done. Also, it is always a bit difficult to compare players that play completely different positions.

Best Seasons Bigs

God Tier
1a. Beasley 07-08
1b. Durant 06-07

Elites
3. Griffin 08-09

Kansas Bigs + Fizer It is really incredible how interchangeable the Kansas bigs #'s are, was not expecting that.
Fizer 99-00
LaFrentz 96-97, 97-98
Gooden 01-02
Collison 02-03
Simien 04-05

massofcatfan · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:50:44 PM »

Quote from: Mr Bread on March 03, 2015, 02:31:49 PM

I never got to see old Raef LaFrentz play. Pretty good?

There was one game vs Wooldridge at Bramlage, they were killing us, toward the end he was beyond the 3-point line and none of our players were within 10 feet of him. He stood there, looked around, and finally jacked up probably the only 3-point shot of his career.

Nothing but net.

He is one of my most hated Jayhawks.

massofcatfan · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:53:41 PM »

Quote from: Spracne on March 03, 2015, 02:08:45 PM

Do you mean best career in the Big 12, or best player to come from the Big 12?

If I went back and edited my original post for clarity, I would write "best/most talented player to play in the big 12" which is different than "best career" or "best to come from big 12," but I didn't so I guess anything goes

Mr Bread · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:54:21 PM »

Paul Pierce?

Skipper44 · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:55:27 PM »

I think Paul Pierce's JR should be in the Elites with Blake

Skipper44 · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:57:41 PM »

Quote from: Mr Bread on March 03, 2015, 02:54:21 PM

Paul Pierce?

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?p1=paul-pierce&p2=kevin-durant&p3=michael-beasley&p4=blake-griffin&chart=possession_pct&chart2=offensive_rating_pct#chart

it's not completely fair to compare a jr season to 2 freshman and a soph but Pierce was maybe just a step below those 3

Kat Kid · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:58:51 PM »

Quote from: massofcatfan on March 03, 2015, 02:50:44 PM

Quote from: Mr Bread on March 03, 2015, 02:31:49 PM
I never got to see old Raef LaFrentz play. Pretty good?

There was one game vs Wooldridge at Bramlage, they were killing us, toward the end he was beyond the 3-point line and none of our players were within 10 feet of him. He stood there, looked around, and finally jacked up probably the only 3-point shot of his career.

Nothing but net.

He is one of my most hated Jayhawks.

Scott Pollard.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2015, 02:59:27 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on March 03, 2015, 01:50:13 PM

1st team All Americans is a good place to start:

2012 Thomas Robinson - pfft, no
2009 Blake Griffin - yes, #3
2008 Michael Beasley - yes, #1t
2008 DJamer Augustine - meh
2007 Kevin Durant - yes, #1t
2007 Acie Law - probs, lifted aTm out of kufball sucktitude
2005 Wayne Simien - meh
2003 Nick Collison - yes, 6-10
2003 TJ Ford - yes, 6-10
2002 Drew Gooden, probs yes
2000 Marcus Fizer - yes
2000 Chris Mihm - whatevs
1998 Paul Pierce - much better nba than college, but yes
1998 Raef LaFrentz - pfft, no
1997 Raef LaFrentz - pfft, no

Add Hollist Price and Tony Battie and you've got a team

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2015, 03:02:06 PM »

Jamal Tinsley and Kareem Rush belong on the list as well.

steve dave · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2015, 03:05:54 PM »

denis clemente

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2015, 03:08:44 PM »

Raef was a slightly less physical version of Perry Ellis surrounded with better players.