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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #6675 on: April 28, 2011, 11:40:51 AM »
All the remaining Big 12 Schools are Carnegie Tier 1 Research Universities.


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« Reply #6676 on: April 28, 2011, 12:19:31 PM »
full disclosure: i do not know--or care--what AAU status constitutes.

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« Reply #6677 on: April 28, 2011, 01:23:34 PM »
full disclosure: i do not know--or care--what AAU status constitutes.

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An arbitrary status to determine which schools the Big 10 wants to play football with.

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« Reply #6678 on: April 28, 2011, 01:35:17 PM »
hey losers, don't eff up what is shaping up to be an epic turn of events for this thread (assuming BSAC is actually onto something)

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« Reply #6679 on: April 28, 2011, 01:42:41 PM »
hey losers, don't eff up what is shaping up to be an epic turn of events for this thread (assuming BSAC is actually onto something)

The only thing BSAC is onto is twin Swedish bikini models.

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« Reply #6680 on: April 28, 2011, 01:44:50 PM »
hey losers, don't eff up what is shaping up to be an epic turn of events for this thread (assuming BSAC is actually onto something)

The only thing BSAC is onto is twin Swedish bikini models.

Prolly fell off his yacht and cracked his head again. 

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« Reply #6681 on: April 28, 2011, 01:56:24 PM »
uh oh. friend just called back asking who i heard this from. he wants bsac's contact info. had to tell him that it doesn't really work that way and that he could register for the board and pm bsac if he wanted to. 


he apparently jokingly brought it up to the head of his research team or something and things got like super weird from there and ended w/ the other person storming out of the room and slamming the door behind her. i mean, wtf?  :dunno:

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« Reply #6682 on: April 28, 2011, 04:43:18 PM »
Here is what I don't think people in Nebraska understand:
1. Noone outside of the big 10 gives a crap about the AAU status (myself included)
2. Research $$$ are earned, not given out just because of your conference.  The research $$$ are an average.  So you could have one school getting $250 million and another getting $50, and you would avg. $150 million.
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« Reply #6683 on: April 28, 2011, 04:50:20 PM »
I think BSAC is just trying to show off because he goes to these prestigious AAU meetings.  I knew he was powerful, but I am curious as to how powerful he would be at a meeting of such powerful people...

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« Reply #6684 on: April 28, 2011, 05:13:49 PM »
I think BSAC is just trying to show off because he goes to these prestigious AAU meetings.  I knew he was powerful, but I am curious as to how powerful he would be at a meeting of such powerful people...

You'd have to be just insanely powerful to be able to make anything change in this organization.  I mean, it looks like they just let new schools in, and don't ever get rid of any.

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« Reply #6685 on: April 28, 2011, 05:18:31 PM »
I think BSAC is just trying to show off because he goes to these prestigious AAU meetings.  I knew he was powerful, but I am curious as to how powerful he would be at a meeting of such powerful people...

You'd have to be just insanely powerful to be able to make anything change in this organization.  I mean, it looks like they just let new schools in, and don't ever get rid of any.

That's what they said about the Big 6 7 8 12

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« Reply #6686 on: April 28, 2011, 09:29:54 PM »
I think BSAC is just trying to show off because he goes to these prestigious AAU meetings.  I knew he was powerful, but I am curious as to how powerful he would be at a meeting of such powerful people...

You'd have to be just insanely powerful to be able to make anything change in this organization.  I mean, it looks like they just let new schools in, and don't ever get rid of any.
Exactly, which is why I think the two scenarios in play are;
1.  Big 10 lets in a non AAU school, i.e. Notre Dame.
2.  A certain school in line for a massive infusion of research dollars in the near future may be invited to join the club of elite institutions (club also has some scrub ass schools sprinkled in though).
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« Reply #6687 on: April 28, 2011, 11:56:39 PM »
hey losers, don't eff up what is shaping up to be an epic turn of events for this thread (assuming BSAC is actually onto something)

The only thing BSAC is onto is twin Swedish bikini models.

Prolly fell off his yacht and cracked his head again. 

Can confirm.

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« Reply #6688 on: April 29, 2011, 01:04:20 AM »
hey losers, don't eff up what is shaping up to be an epic turn of events for this thread (assuming BSAC is actually onto something)

The only thing BSAC is onto is twin Swedish bikini models.

Prolly fell off his yacht and cracked his head again. 

Can confirm.

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« Reply #6689 on: April 29, 2011, 12:33:36 PM »
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« Reply #6690 on: April 29, 2011, 12:36:10 PM »
NU got their asses kicked out of the AAU :lol:  I was wondering what BSAC was meeting with Dan Beebe about


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« Reply #6692 on: April 29, 2011, 12:48:39 PM »
Poor Harvey.  Rumblings he is doing more whining than Bo Pelini after a Texas loss.

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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #6693 on: April 29, 2011, 01:02:39 PM »
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Dear Colleagues:
I have some disconcerting news.  The membership of the Association of American Universities has voted to discontinue Nebraska’s membership in that organization.    We have known we were at risk of this for ten years, and successfully fought off a similar threat in 2000.  I had hoped our extraordinary accomplishments and steep trajectory would have made us less vulnerable, but the AAU’s approach to the review made this result inevitable.  There was really nothing more you could have accomplished to forestall this result.  Here is what happened.
The AAU has a unique ranking system that ranks all research universities (including non-AAU schools).  It consists of four criteria: research expenditures, National Academy members, faculty awards (from a specified list), and citations.  An institution’s productivity on each of these criteria is “normalized” by the number of tenure track faculty.   Each institution is then ranked in accordance with these “normalized” criteria and the average ranking is the overall ranking for each institution. In accordance with this system, we were ranked last among AAU institutions. A  number of non-AAU institutions received a higher rank than UNL and a higher rank than 14 other AAU institutions.  
The ranking system put us at a disadvantage because of the way NU’s system is organized with separate flagship and medical campuses. A large majority of AAU institutions have medical schools and are allowed to count medical research data. With UNMC’s research included we would have had research expenditures above many other AAU institutions.  Medical schools are both research intensive and also have a high ratio of research per tenure track faculty because many of their faculty who produce research are not “tenure track faculty” and thus not counted.  Thus having a medical school is a disproportionate advantage in the AAU rankings that UNL did not enjoy.  
The second disadvantage we face is that AAU inappropriately devalues agricultural research.   It does not count any research funded by USDA (or by any private-sector interest) in the overall ranking.   However, it does count agricultural faculty in the number used to normalize the rankings.   The result is the ranking counts agriculture faculty but not the research they produce.  Because of our strong commitment as a land-grant institution to serving the State of Nebraska, we are seriously disadvantaged within the AAU ranking system.  
A third disadvantage we face is that we are a comprehensive university.  Although the AAU purports to limit membership to “comprehensive” institutions, the normalization process favors those institutions narrowly focused on disciplines qualified for federal research dollars.   In fact our total research expenditure is higher than two prominent, but highly specialized institutions.
We presented a data-based argument that demonstrated the specific ways that the ranking metrics distorted UNL’s actual research accomplishments, but our argument did not prevail. The AAU Membership Policies, however, provide that when an institution is reviewed the review committee should engage in a second-stage process to make a “qualitative judgment about the mission, characteristics, and trajectory” of the institution.  
I believe we had a strong case on the “second stage.”   Among AAU institutions we have had the 7th largest percentage growth in research expenditures over the last decade.   We have leadership or partnership roles in research with all of the highest ranked AAU institutions.  We have faculty achievements that are not counted by AAU but are of equal merit.  For example, no credit is given to a faculty who claims a Poet Laureate of the United States or the winner of the Bancroft Prize in History. We had thought our lack of a medical school, our land-grant obligations, and our AAU-leading research trajectory would be taken into account during this second stage.   Unfortunately, the Review Committee refused to make any “qualitative judgment” that departed from the ranking and the membership went along.
There is within AAU a group of institutions who believe the organization should be smaller and that the rankings are an appropriate measure of institutional quality.  We are not the only institution to be affected and if AAU continues with this effort others will be vulnerable.  In the end, while we received strong support from almost all of our Big Ten colleagues, all of our former Big 12 colleagues, and other public research universities, it was not sufficient.  There were other troubling events during this process, which I may write about in another forum.  
So what does this mean for us?  I do not see this development in any way impacting our momentum or diminishing our accomplishments.   Although there is some reputational advantage to AAU membership, it is difficult to identify specific ways in which our membership was essential or influential in our current success.  As University of Nebraska President James B. Milliken often says, we strive to be the best public university in the country as measured by the impact we have on our people and our state, and through them, the world.  On that ranking, I think we are in the top tier.
  
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #6694 on: April 29, 2011, 01:04:26 PM »
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« Reply #6695 on: April 29, 2011, 01:06:27 PM »
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« Reply #6696 on: April 29, 2011, 01:09:15 PM »
And now you understand why a school like K-State isn't going to be an AAU school.

However, the level of researching funding that does appeal to the AAU is increasing rapidly at K-State.

K-State is also getting a lot of research money from the . . . military  :ohno: .  I don't know how that rates with bodies like the AAU though.

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« Reply #6697 on: April 29, 2011, 01:09:43 PM »
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« Reply #6698 on: April 29, 2011, 01:13:27 PM »
Jfc BSAC ftw

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« Reply #6699 on: April 29, 2011, 01:14:32 PM »
omg  :lol: