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« Reply #28175 on: July 21, 2016, 09:46:25 AM »
That's fair. I guess I just want my cats in a P5 and I don't think that will happen if it dissolves.  :th_twocents:

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« Reply #28176 on: July 21, 2016, 09:57:04 AM »
That's fair. I guess I just want my cats in a P5 and I don't think that will happen if it dissolves.  :th_twocents:

Me too man, but adding dogshit programs like Houston or whoever doesn't strengthen the conference. I bring it up all the time, but my question is always "do you think the playoffs will expand to 8 team?"

If you answer yes to that, adding schools, at least at this point, would be a massive mistake unless it's giant homerun.
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« Reply #28177 on: July 21, 2016, 10:08:41 AM »
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Houston and Brigham Young are the top Big 12 expansion candidates, according to an ESPN poll of the league's football coaches.

On the condition of anonymity, the league's 10 coaches participated in the poll. Each chose his top two candidates among schools not currently in a Power 5 program.

Houston and BYU each received five votes.

"At the University of Houston we are certainly honored to be mentioned as a progressive institution that places a competitive emphasis on both academics and athletics," Houston Vice President for Athletics Hunter Yurachek said in a statement. "As a Tier One research institution and Phi Beta Kappa member, Houston has seen a reinvigorated spirit in Athletics. We have returned our proud University to the national spotlight and we aim to compete on the highest levels as we build Champions for Life. Our mission will not change."

Cincinnati and Memphis tied for third with four votes each, followed by Colorado State and Central Florida with one vote apiece.

Other teams expected to be considered by the Big 12 include South Florida and Connecticut.

With the exception of independent BYU and the Mountain West's Colorado State, all of the expansion candidates are members of the American Athletic Conference.

To exit the American, members must provide 27 months' notice and pay a $10 million exit fee.

The Mountain West's exit requirement is only to provide one year's notice. If that is not provided, a university must pay the conference $5 million or double the school's final year's conference revenue, which ever amount is greatest.

On Tuesday, the Big 12 authorized commissioner Bob Bowlsby to begin exploring expansion candidates.

Bowlsby said the league would consider adding two or four teams. He also added the league would consider several factors, including strength of athletic program, fan base, media market, reputation and academic standing. The league would most likely add the new schools by the 2018 academic year.

The Big 12 won't give full shares to new members upon arrival. It's common practice for incoming schools to receive partial revenue shares for a few years. TCU and West Virginia just finished their fourth seasons in the Big 12 and for the first time received full shares. That means for several years, the current 10 members share the new money. And which schools are willing to accept less money for the longest period of time could help determine whether an institution receives an invitation from the Big 12.

The Big 12 coaches were in Bristol, Connecticut, on Wednesday as part of their annual "Car Wash" on ESPN's campus.[/quote]
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« Reply #28178 on: July 21, 2016, 10:15:41 AM »
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According to Oklahoma talk radio, apparently the Big 12 may be getting interest from Pac-12 schools. And it's not just Arizona and Arizona State. The claim is third tier rights are worthless with Pac-12 contract. UCLA may be in play.

If true, it's awful for K-State. Texas and OU may just reboot the conference like when the Big 12 was formed. Arizona & California schools form the West. UT, Tech, OU and OSU plus two others form the East.

Maybe K-State hangs on, but maybe Arizona schools join the OU/UT division and two other Pac-12 schools join.

Point is, if the Pac 12 is in play, EVERYTHING changes in this.

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« Reply #28179 on: July 21, 2016, 10:26:32 AM »
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According to Oklahoma talk radio, apparently the Big 12 may be getting interest from Pac-12 schools. And it's not just Arizona and Arizona State. The claim is third tier rights are worthless with Pac-12 contract. UCLA may be in play.

If true, it's awful for K-State. Texas and OU may just reboot the conference like when the Big 12 was formed. Arizona & California schools form the West. UT, Tech, OU and OSU plus two others form the East.

Maybe K-State hangs on, but maybe Arizona schools join the OU/UT division and two other Pac-12 schools join.

Point is, if the Pac 12 is in play, EVERYTHING changes in this.

This seems totally insane, but hey, Trump is the Republican nominee for President.

Houston is the only current candidate that makes any sense to me. And even that is a stretch.

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« Reply #28180 on: July 21, 2016, 10:41:07 AM »
BYU makes sense to me

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« Reply #28181 on: July 21, 2016, 10:42:05 AM »
Quote from: fitz
According to Oklahoma talk radio, apparently the Big 12 may be getting interest from Pac-12 schools. And it's not just Arizona and Arizona State. The claim is third tier rights are worthless with Pac-12 contract. UCLA may be in play.

If true, it's awful for K-State. Texas and OU may just reboot the conference like when the Big 12 was formed. Arizona & California schools form the West. UT, Tech, OU and OSU plus two others form the East.

Maybe K-State hangs on, but maybe Arizona schools join the OU/UT division and two other Pac-12 schools join.

Point is, if the Pac 12 is in play, EVERYTHING changes in this.

Even if we could nab PAC schools, I sincerely doubt the conference would dissolve to do it.
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« Reply #28182 on: July 21, 2016, 10:43:54 AM »
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According to Oklahoma talk radio, apparently the Big 12 may be getting interest from Pac-12 schools. And it's not just Arizona and Arizona State. The claim is third tier rights are worthless with Pac-12 contract. UCLA may be in play.

If true, it's awful for K-State. Texas and OU may just reboot the conference like when the Big 12 was formed. Arizona & California schools form the West. UT, Tech, OU and OSU plus two others form the East.

Maybe K-State hangs on, but maybe Arizona schools join the OU/UT division and two other Pac-12 schools join.

Point is, if the Pac 12 is in play, EVERYTHING changes in this.

Yeah, that doesn't sound at all like PAC 12 schools positioning for leverage within their own conference. UCLA will never leave the PAC 12 for a makeshift conference with all of the power in Texas.
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« Reply #28183 on: July 21, 2016, 10:47:13 AM »
The Mountain West's exit requirement is only to provide one year's notice. If that is not provided, a university must pay the conference $5 million or double the school's final year's conference revenue, which ever amount is greatest.

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« Reply #28184 on: July 21, 2016, 10:52:15 AM »
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If true, it's awful for K-State. Texas and OU may just reboot the conference like when the Big 12 was formed.

Maybe K-State hangs on, but maybe Arizona schools join the OU/UT division and two other Pac-12 schools join.

My God fitz is an idiot. He can't possibly think that UT and OU can unilaterally disband the conference and kick members out, can he? Not only that but why would they want to kick K-State out? Dumbass

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« Reply #28185 on: July 21, 2016, 11:06:09 AM »
Quote from: fitz
According to Oklahoma talk radio, apparently the Big 12 may be getting interest from Pac-12 schools. And it's not just Arizona and Arizona State. The claim is third tier rights are worthless with Pac-12 contract. UCLA may be in play.

If true, it's awful for K-State. Texas and OU may just reboot the conference like when the Big 12 was formed. Arizona & California schools form the West. UT, Tech, OU and OSU plus two others form the East.

Maybe K-State hangs on, but maybe Arizona schools join the OU/UT division and two other Pac-12 schools join.

Point is, if the Pac 12 is in play, EVERYTHING changes in this.

Even if we could nab PAC schools, I sincerely doubt the conference would dissolve to do it.

There is so much wrong with what he said. The rest of the Pac 12 would simply join the rest of the Big 12 and form a new P5 conference. This really wouldn't change anything except where conference lines are drawn. Way more likely we'd just get AZ schools to detach and move over.

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« Reply #28186 on: July 21, 2016, 11:09:00 AM »
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@GregAbbott_TX: Big 12 expansion is a non-starter unless it includes University of Houston. @UHouston  https://t.co/AnHB4dIGnc
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« Reply #28187 on: July 21, 2016, 11:20:53 AM »
Adding Houston would be so dumb.

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« Reply #28188 on: July 21, 2016, 11:25:03 AM »
I agree. 4th largest city in the US and good at football. Woof!

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« Reply #28189 on: July 21, 2016, 11:27:06 AM »
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« Reply #28190 on: July 21, 2016, 11:28:50 AM »
Fitz is being a chicken little loser. If a school is in a P5 conference it will continue to be in one. People who think schools will drop down a level are dumb. There's too much money and litigation at stake so the power schools will have to make sure us little guys have a soft landing spot. That may very well be UT and OU's play with this whole thing.
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« Reply #28191 on: July 21, 2016, 11:29:50 AM »
Adding Houston would be so dumb.

why do you think that? seriously asking.

they're the third largest university in texas, 42,000 enrollment, and would obviously add a huge market. stadium holds ~42,000 which isn't great. plus it makes more sense geographically than a lot of schools.

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« Reply #28192 on: July 21, 2016, 11:31:49 AM »
I agree. 4th largest city in the US and good at football. Woof!
A city in which Houston University Football is the 5th most popular football team behind two pro teams a team in our conference and a team that left our conference. A school that is "good at football" and only finished in the top 25 twice in the last 25 seasons.

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« Reply #28193 on: July 21, 2016, 11:33:08 AM »
Adding Houston would be so dumb.

why do you think that? seriously asking.

they're the third largest university in texas, 42,000 enrollment, and would obviously add a huge market. stadium holds ~42,000 which isn't great. plus it makes more sense geographically than a lot of schools.
Houston would have been better than TCU but having 5 Texas teams in this conference is dumb. Expanding given the options is extremely dumb.

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« Reply #28194 on: July 21, 2016, 11:33:49 AM »
adding Houston would suck because they suck at sports and their city sucks and we already have enough texas road trips.


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« Reply #28195 on: July 21, 2016, 11:34:32 AM »
adding Houston would suck because they suck at sports and their city sucks and we already have enough texas road trips.

these are fair points

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« Reply #28196 on: July 21, 2016, 11:38:08 AM »
Isn't the TV market issue almost completely driven by whether or not the Big 12 wants a cable network? I thought the Big 12 didn't want one.

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« Reply #28197 on: July 21, 2016, 11:44:12 AM »
Isn't the TV market issue almost completely driven by whether or not the Big 12 wants a cable network? I thought the Big 12 didn't want one.

that is a factor, but it's largely driven by how much a network (espn, fox, etc) will want to pay to show the conference's games, and if they think more people from a big market are going to watch that conference because a local school is in it, they'll pay more.

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« Reply #28198 on: July 21, 2016, 11:51:43 AM »
it's more important to protect the product on the field.  this will draw more viewers than just adding a city with tv sets like houston or whoever to the conference.  the fewer ku vs isu games per season that our conference produces, the better off we are.

adding crap schools dilutes the product and that dilutes the value


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« Reply #28199 on: July 21, 2016, 11:55:15 AM »
i would argue Houston has the resources and ability to become a legit consistent contender if they were in the big 12. if Baylor and TCU can do it....