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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22100 on: September 19, 2012, 03:55:18 PM »
OU supposedly getting 7 Million for their Tier 3 TV rights(not including radio, etc)

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« Reply #22101 on: September 19, 2012, 04:16:40 PM »
OU supposedly getting 7 Million for their Tier 3 TV rights(not including radio, etc)

Feels right.  Outside of one football game, nothing really has value.

Our T3 basketball rights are probably worth as much as theirs.

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« Reply #22102 on: September 19, 2012, 05:05:02 PM »
It is in our best interest to make sure they're happy as the flagship institution of the Big 12, and that we're associated with them.  It's a matter of survival.

Nope.  It's about keeping OU and OSU happy.  If they leave, Conference is dead.  Well, is OU happy?  In 2012 they are.  But, what about 2015 or 2020?  Currently, OU is getting (reportedly) $5mil a year for its Tier III content.  10yr/50mil.   

Well, what happens if the SEC pulls off a massive Tier III SEC Network paying out +$10mil a year to its members?  All of a sudden, OU is looking around for more money. 



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« Reply #22103 on: September 19, 2012, 05:09:01 PM »
If OK is not going to secede from the nation with us then we may as well get used to the LHN since it will be about the only channel we get.

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« Reply #22104 on: September 19, 2012, 06:19:59 PM »
More playoff/bowl details:

ROSEMONT, Ill. (AP)
Conference commissioners are considering the possibility of adding another game to be part of the semifinal rotation for the new college football playoff.
 
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The postseason plan approved by university presidents in June called for the national semifinals to rotate among six bowl sites. The years those sites do not host semifinals, they would be marquee bowl games, involving other highly ranked teams.
 
There are numerous details still be worked before the format is implemented in 2014, including the composition of the selection committee that will pick the playoff participants, site of the first championship game and revenue distribution.
 
And now it seems like the plan might be tweaked to give teams that don't make the playoff more chances to play in high revenue games.
 
''They created a playoff and they had a working concept for access, but they knew that more conversations were needed,'' BCS executive director Bill Hancock said Wednesday after the second day of meetings. '' There was discussion about access and whether another game might be necessary. There was. ...but how it comes out, we don't know.''
 
Also to be determined is what the format will be called.
 
''The first championship game is 28 months away. And so the highest priorities are going to have to go to the television contract and site selection,'' Hancock said, adding that ESPN has a one-month exclusive negotiating window beginning around Oct. 1.
would like to have the television part of it finished this fall. And we'd like to be pretty far down the road on site selection this fall. Although I don't think we'll be finished on site selection, possibly not until April,'' Hancock said.
 
Although requests for proposals won't go out until November, Hancock said numerous cities have informally expressed interest. He said the process will likely be similar to the one used to pick the site of the NCAA's Final Four.
 
Two of the sites are set. The Rose Bowl, long the destination for the Big Ten and Pac-12 champions, is in. The Orange Bowl, which recently agreed to a long-term deal with the Atlantic Coast Conference is in.
 
The site of the new bowl between the Big 12 and Southeastern Conference will also be in the semifinal rotation. Those leagues are expected to make a choice between Atlanta, Houston, Arlington, Texas, and New Orleans next month.
 
The Superdome in New Orleans, the site of the Sugar Bowl, and Dallas Cowboys Stadium in Arlington, the home of the Cotton Bowl, are the leading candidates.
 
Whichever one does not land the so-called Champions Bowl, will have a good chance of landing a spot in the semifinal rotation, along with the Fiesta Bowl in Glendale, Ariz.
 
As for the selection committee, Hancock said he believes it should be 15 to 20 people although the commissioners haven't discussed a set number. The makeup could be heavy on conference administrators, but may also include some at-large members, another detail to be worked out.
 
"'The working model has been that every conference would have a representative,'' Hancock said. '' And then that there would be enough people on the committee to accommodate recusals. The concept being that when your institution is discussed you would be recused. ..''
 
And several factors were been discussed for determining revenue distribution. Among those are academic and on-field performance, Hancock said.
 
''And that decision ultimately will be made by the presidents who have their annual meeting in November,'' Hancock said.
 
A committee is also considering options for a name, Hancock said.
 
''There are people who think we should have a naming contest and there are others who think we should just name it. I don't know how it will come out.''
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« Reply #22105 on: September 19, 2012, 06:22:20 PM »
I could see the LHN buying 3rd tier product from the others schools to fill its content and make it more attractive nation wide.

They already are. Texas State has two games on it this year. Although technically they got those rights from the WAC, not Texas State.

In related news, this enrages me greatly


Eventually, though, when everyone carries the LHN, I don't think you'll hate it as much.

"that's a first down for Texas State's Shaun Rutherford. Boy, he really looked like VINCE YOUNG, THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK OF ALL TIME didn't he jim?"

"you're right bob, the way he scrambled out of the pocket and kept his poise really reminds me of VINCE YOUNG, THE GREATEST QUARTERBACK OF ALL TIME and his pocket presence is also becoming very solid every game like MAJOR APPLEWHITE, EVERYONE'S FAVORITE FIELD GENERAL."

"hey bobcats, GET HOOKED on grande,* one of the first carriers of the longhorn network!"

i'll pass on that, thanks.

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« Reply #22106 on: September 19, 2012, 07:12:50 PM »
The postseason plan approved by university presidents in June called for the national semifinals to rotate among six bowl sites. The years those sites do not host semifinals, they would be marquee bowl games, involving other highly ranked teams.

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And now it seems like the plan might be tweaked to give teams that don't make the playoff more chances to play in high revenue games.
 
''They created a playoff and they had a working concept for access, but they knew that more conversations were needed,'' BCS executive director Bill Hancock said Wednesday after the second day of meetings. '' There was discussion about access and whether another game might be necessary. There was. ...but how it comes out, we don't know.''

I wonder if the Rose Bowl is saying they want to opt out of the semifinal rotation to some degree (there were rumors they were considering it).  If they were, it would create a mess of who gets their rotation.  Adding a 7th bowl that would be a 4th access bowl that absorbs the Rose Bowl's semifinal turn(s) would create more access to the system and fix the Rose Bowl issue.
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« Reply #22107 on: September 19, 2012, 07:34:02 PM »
The postseason plan approved by university presidents in June called for the national semifinals to rotate among six bowl sites. The years those sites do not host semifinals, they would be marquee bowl games, involving other highly ranked teams.

...
 
And now it seems like the plan might be tweaked to give teams that don't make the playoff more chances to play in high revenue games.
 
''They created a playoff and they had a working concept for access, but they knew that more conversations were needed,'' BCS executive director Bill Hancock said Wednesday after the second day of meetings. '' There was discussion about access and whether another game might be necessary. There was. ...but how it comes out, we don't know.''

I wonder if the Rose Bowl is saying they want to opt out of the semifinal rotation to some degree (there were rumors they were considering it).  If they were, it would create a mess of who gets their rotation.  Adding a 7th bowl that would be a 4th access bowl that absorbs the Rose Bowl's semifinal turn(s) would create more access to the system and fix the Rose Bowl issue.

Any way you look at it, the BCS will have more control over bowls than before.
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Re: Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....
« Reply #22108 on: September 19, 2012, 10:22:40 PM »
It is in our best interest to make sure they're happy as the flagship institution of the Big 12, and that we're associated with them.  It's a matter of survival.

Nope.  It's about keeping OU and OSU happy.  If they leave, Conference is dead.  Well, is OU happy?  In 2012 they are.  But, what about 2015 or 2020?  Currently, OU is getting (reportedly) $5mil a year for its Tier III content.  10yr/50mil.   

Well, what happens if the SEC pulls off a massive Tier III SEC Network paying out +$10mil a year to its members?  All of a sudden, OU is looking around for more money.

They aren't leaving OSU, and no one wants OSU.

They are OU's poison pill as much as KU is to us and vice versa.

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« Reply #22109 on: September 19, 2012, 10:32:43 PM »
Seems like the Pac12 was interested in OU and OSU. 

And to get OU football, I could see another conference taking little brother too. 

Fact is that UT doesn't need the BigXII as much as the BigXII needs UT.  This is a huge problem and will continue to be.  This is why any school with options has left, leaving only those with no options. 

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« Reply #22110 on: September 19, 2012, 10:33:44 PM »
Of all the schools in the Big 12, KSU have the most options.

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« Reply #22111 on: September 19, 2012, 10:39:04 PM »
Seems like the Pac12 was interested in OU and OSU. 

Larry Scott was.

The presidents he works for were not.

Taking two schools in a small state is not in the SEC business model.

The Big Ten has already told Oklahoma no.

Unless OU feels like going to the SEC by itself, they're stuck on the good ship Longhorn.


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« Reply #22112 on: September 20, 2012, 09:04:40 AM »
Let's take OU as an example.

They're already a $100 million dollar athletic program.   Looks like they're going to be pulling down somewhere between $25 and $27 million a year on the total media deal.   Then there's bowl revenue, playoff revenue, NCAA tourney revenue.   

Okay, if the rumors turn out to be close, the SEC may put together a total media deal worth about $30 million per school.   Fantastic for them if that happens.   If you're OU, are going to move from a conference you'll likely always be in prime contention to win on top of welding more political clout in . . . over $5-$6 million dollars??   

Based off some very quick off the top of my head numbers, $5 to $6 million would be about 5% of OU's total Total Athletic Revenues based on current revenues + projected increases in media/bowl/playoff.     I don't think moving conferences over 5% is worth it.   Not when you're already firmly installed as the 2nd most powerful athletic program in the conference, and you could easily be considered the most powerful football program in the conference using the total body of work.    That whole dynamic changes dramatically by going to the SEC, and still changes in the Pac-12.


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« Reply #22113 on: September 20, 2012, 09:17:15 AM »
Let's take OU as an example.

They're already a $100 million dollar athletic program.   Looks like they're going to be pulling down somewhere between $25 and $27 million a year on the total media deal.   Then there's bowl revenue, playoff revenue, NCAA tourney revenue.   

Okay, if the rumors turn out to be close, the SEC may put together a total media deal worth about $30 million per school.   Fantastic for them if that happens.   If you're OU, are going to move from a conference you'll likely always be in prime contention to win on top of welding more political clout in . . . over $5-$6 million dollars??   

Based off some very quick off the top of my head numbers, $5 to $6 million would be about 5% of OU's total Total Athletic Revenues based on current revenues + projected increases in media/bowl/playoff.     I don't think moving conferences over 5% is worth it.   Not when you're already firmly installed as the 2nd most powerful athletic program in the conference, and you could easily be considered the most powerful football program in the conference using the total body of work.    That whole dynamic changes dramatically by going to the SEC, and still changes in the Pac-12.

A&M did it. 

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« Reply #22114 on: September 20, 2012, 09:20:19 AM »
Let's take OU as an example.

They're already a $100 million dollar athletic program.   Looks like they're going to be pulling down somewhere between $25 and $27 million a year on the total media deal.   Then there's bowl revenue, playoff revenue, NCAA tourney revenue.   

Okay, if the rumors turn out to be close, the SEC may put together a total media deal worth about $30 million per school.   Fantastic for them if that happens.   If you're OU, are going to move from a conference you'll likely always be in prime contention to win on top of welding more political clout in . . . over $5-$6 million dollars??   

Based off some very quick off the top of my head numbers, $5 to $6 million would be about 5% of OU's total Total Athletic Revenues based on current revenues + projected increases in media/bowl/playoff.     I don't think moving conferences over 5% is worth it.   Not when you're already firmly installed as the 2nd most powerful athletic program in the conference, and you could easily be considered the most powerful football program in the conference using the total body of work.    That whole dynamic changes dramatically by going to the SEC, and still changes in the Pac-12.

A&M did it.

A&M was falling behind Texas in every conceivable way, and they needed something they could use to separate themselves from them.

Oklahoma is not behind Texas in any way other than revenue, and they have more than enough money to drop on football, basketball, baseball, etc.

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« Reply #22115 on: September 20, 2012, 09:21:13 AM »
FWIW, I don't think OU feels insecure about their relationship with Texas, nor are they absolutely batshit insane.

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« Reply #22116 on: September 20, 2012, 09:23:34 AM »
Okay, if the rumors turn out to be close, the SEC may put together a total media deal worth about $30 million per school.   Fantastic for them if that happens.

I still find it hard to believe that the additions of MU and A&M, plus the creation of a T3 network, will move their meter by $210 million a year.

I mean, good God.  That's $420 million, annually.

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« Reply #22117 on: September 20, 2012, 09:24:02 AM »
FWIW, I don't think OU feels insecure about their relationship with Texas, nor are they absolutely batshit insane.

This is the most important part.

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« Reply #22118 on: September 20, 2012, 09:31:12 AM »
Well, we're rolling into one of Dax's favorite observo and analysis times of the yearr . . . the deadline for athletic programs to have their Equity in Athletics financial data to the Dept. of Education quickly approaches   :dance:   

Not to mention the corporate structure of some requires posting of audited annual reports. 


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« Reply #22119 on: September 20, 2012, 09:43:15 AM »

I still find it hard to believe that the additions of MU and A&M, plus the creation of a T3 network, will move their meter by $210 million a year.

I mean, good God.  That's $420 million, annually.


Why?  I believe that the SEC will structure a deal that is at least comparable to the BigXII for Tier I & Tier II rights.  The Tier III deal will be massive IMO.  Reportedly, Florida contracted their Tier III rights to the Sunshine Network for $100mil/10years and I believe that was a few years ago.  Could be wrong.  Add in the rights of the entire conference, and I would imagine this number will be huge.     

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« Reply #22120 on: September 20, 2012, 11:03:00 AM »

I still find it hard to believe that the additions of MU and A&M, plus the creation of a T3 network, will move their meter by $210 million a year.

I mean, good God.  That's $420 million, annually.


Why?  I believe that the SEC will structure a deal that is at least comparable to the BigXII for Tier I & Tier II rights.  The Tier III deal will be massive IMO.  Reportedly, Florida contracted their Tier III rights to the Sunshine Network for $100mil/10years and I believe that was a few years ago.  Could be wrong.  Add in the rights of the entire conference, and I would imagine this number will be huge.     

CBS' current contract, I think, is 15 games a year, including the CCG.  After all of the math is worked out, it works out to ~$4.6 million per year, per team.  CBS has already said that they won't be giving a bump for that; so, best case scenario is that the pie gets bigger to give teams roughly the same slice they did before.  Best case scenario, based on the information out there, is that SEC teams shouldn't hope for a T1 deal worth more than $70 million a year.  If it got that high, it would take the per game payout from it's current $3.6 million average to $5 million per game.  Not completely asinine given the popularity of the SEC, but, yeah, that's a hike just to stay relatively even with what they have now given the expansion of two teams.

That means to get to $30 million, ESPN is now on the hook for $350 million per year for the rest of the SEC content.  I mean, man, that's essentially what the Pac-12 is getting for everything bundled together from all providers with a T3 regionally based set of networks they own and operate.

Spread that out over 15 years, and you're looking at a set of contracts with CBS and ESPN that will be worth $6.3 billion dollars.

I'm sorry, but huh?
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« Reply #22122 on: September 21, 2012, 01:05:05 PM »
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« Reply #22123 on: September 21, 2012, 01:06:03 PM »
Something about Louisville?  I don't have a membership.  :dunno:

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« Reply #22124 on: September 21, 2012, 01:15:33 PM »
We had better not be taking those guys unless we are also adding FSU. Bowlsby needs to be put on notice.