Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[EMAW4life-JHL]

ND, Louisville, Clemson, Miami, FSU and GT? Thatd leave ISU WVU Louisville and ND in a pod, with the 4 ACC Schoosl in a nother, the 4 texas schools in one and Oklahoma and Kansas schools in another.
Pod 1: ND Louisville ISU WVU
Pod 2:KU KSU OU OSU
Pod 3: UT TTU Baylor TCU
Pod 4:GT Clemson Miami FSU
Play every team in your pod and a permanent rival from another pod, along with 2 teams from the other pods every year leaving 9 conference games.
Seems like it could work.

[Stevesie60]

We steal Gary Patterson, making TCU our rival about the time all of this goes down. It works out perfectly.

[EMAW4life-JHL]

Would love to have....
Head Coach: Gary "Rozel Dazzle" Patterson
DC: Jim "eff You" Leavitt
and the rest i really dont care about.

[Panjandrum]

IMO the Big12 must win the race to a strong, although maybe middling, 16 team conference. That is the direction we are going.

Also I bet ND would be willing to be in a ksu/ku/isu pod if there was some sort of permanent rival system like the SEC has where they got Texas, OU, FSU or something.

It's not the direction we're going.  It's not economically feasible in the current model.

It makes the most sense logically, symmetrically, and logistically, but financially, you won't find enough schools that will push your value to the point where 16 teams make financial sense.

Besides, the Big Ten can't find 16 schools that fit their criteria for admission and provide economic value.  The Pac-12 is kind of the same way.  Their presidents don't want to slum with major universities like Tech, OU, and OSU due to their academic standards and the stigma that goes a long with Midwestern state schools.

The only conferences that 'may' go to 16 would be the ACC, Big 12, and SEC.  The Big 12 and SEC are the only two in that group that could even come close to financially making that work, and the odds of them actually doing so is close to nil.

My guess is that the Big 12 and SEC go to 14, the ACC settles back in at 12 by adding UConn and someone else, and the Big Ten and Pac-12 stay at 12 and use their alliance to swap all kinds of inventory for their TV partners.

[OregonSmock]

IMO the Big12 must win the race to a strong, although maybe middling, 16 team conference. That is the direction we are going.

Also I bet ND would be willing to be in a ksu/ku/isu pod if there was some sort of permanent rival system like the SEC has where they got Texas, OU, FSU or something.

It's not the direction we're going.  It's not economically feasible in the current model.

It makes the most sense logically, symmetrically, and logistically, but financially, you won't find enough schools that will push your value to the point where 16 teams make financial sense.

Besides, the Big Ten can't find 16 schools that fit their criteria for admission and provide economic value.  The Pac-12 is kind of the same way.  Their presidents don't want to slum with major universities like Tech, OU, and OSU due to their academic standards and the stigma that goes a long with Midwestern state schools.

You forgot to mention K-State. 

[Dugout DickStone]

And ku

[OregonSmock]

And ku

AAU institution.  Pac 12 wanted us (academically and basketball), remember? 

[Stevesie60]

And ku

AAU institution.  Pac 12 wanted us (academically and basketball), remember? 

Oh, did you guys say no?

[deputy dawg]

AAU institution.  Pac 12 wanted us (academically and basketball), remember?

The plane was on its way!

[TheHamburglar]

And ku

AAU institution.  Pac 12 wanted us (academically and basketball), remember?

At no point, ever, was KU a consideration for the PAC-12 without OU and OSU already going ahead of them.  Remember?

And also, "Pac 12 wanted us" is just ridiculous delusion.  The Pac 12 didn't want you.  The Pac 12 plane was in Lawrence for 3 hours as the plans for the teams to the south going started to fall apart.  That does not constitute "Pac 12 wanted us". 

[Houstoncat93]

And ku

AAU institution.  Pac 12 wanted us (academically and basketball), remember?

Any then they saw that sexy school in Utah and decided to ask her to prom instead.

[OlatheWildcat]

Let me just say that I can't wait until random itk people start posting stuff on Twitter about realignment.

[EMAW4life-JHL]

Pretty sure KU is ranked somewhere around 120th best universities in the naiton and KSU is around 130th. You're Sugar calling the paper white.
At least KSU is renowned for what we teach and research. If you want to learn about agriculture or engineering you go to KSU. if you want to be a lawyer or doctor, KU isnt even in the first 10 schools i would go to.

[SabiNation]

Pretty sure KU is ranked somewhere around 120th best universities in the naiton and KSU is around 130th. You're Sugar calling the paper white.
At least KSU is renowned for what we teach and research. If you want to learn about agriculture or engineering you go to KSU. if you want to be a lawyer or doctor, KU isnt even in the first 10 schools i would go to.

I think you are overrating our engineering school just a bit.  It's very good, but it's probably not in the top 10 and it most likely isn't even the best in the midwest (Illinois, Wisconsin to name a couple). It's definitely not the best in the country like you made it seem.

As far as Ag schools go, again ours is awesome but I think Iowa State's is even rated better. Yes, IOWA STATE   

[ew2x4]

Architecture is definitely top 10.

[ChiComCat]

Pretty sure our vet med grad school is too

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[deputy dawg]

School of dietetics is top 5. Best in world in Ag evapo-transpiration.  Accounting used to be top 20 in US, but don't know now.

[Dugout DickStone]

And ku

AAU institution.  Pac 12 wanted us (academically and basketball), remember?

KU turned them down?

[Panjandrum]

Goddammit Beems, this thread is sacred.  Go take a crap in one of your other bullshit threads.  Leave this one alone.

[Pete]

Yep.  I will delete the crap out of non-topic posts in this thread if you push it. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Anyone that doesn't know Louisville is coming to the Big XII is so far out of the know they might as well be waiting on the tarmac at LCDAR (Lawrence Crop-Duster Airplane Runway) for Jim Harbaugh hand-delivered a Pac invite.

[PowercatPat]

And ku

AAU institution.  Pac 12 wanted us (academically and basketball), remember?

Link?

[davegladow]

As long as the Pac 12 stays quiet, I think the Big 12 can do no worse than stay in the strong position we are already in.  I think the only wild card for the Big 12 is that stupid west coast conference.  OU (and OSU) would be in the Pac 12 right now if they hadn't said 'request denied' last fall.  And Texas made an attempt at the Pac last year as well, and would also be in that conference if they hadn't said no.  (Actually, they said no to the LHN rather than Texas, but it amounts to the same thing.)

If the Pac 12 will just stay on the sidelines during this summer's Conference Armageddon III, the Big 12 will stay intact and may even pick up a couple of worthy additions.  If the Pac 12 gets involved, I think all hell breaks loose.  If they change their stance on the LHN, or if they re-open the lines of communication with the Oklahoma schools, I shudder to think what could happen.

The six year grant of rights keeps us safe for now

People keep talking about our grant of rights as though it is ironclad or something.  The Big East supposedly had an ironclad contract that required 27-month notice before departure... and WVU left with about a six month notice.  If Texas decided they want out of the Big 12, they could do it.  They would have to pay for it, but the grant of rights certainly wouldn't stop them. 

And the grant of rights does nothing if we see a mass exodus like a couple of years ago.  If UT takes TT, OU and OSU with them and another school or two can find a home somewhere (WVU-ACC?, TCU-SEC?, KU-ACC?), they can simply dissolve the Big 12 and the grant of rights becomes meaningless.  And if Texas is leaving, they're certainly not going to do it alone.

I think there's a pretty good chance the Big 12 will be fine this off season, but I wouldn't put any serious money on it right now.

If the Big 12 is able to attract a high-profile school or two, then our odds of staying alive skyrocket, IMO.  Louisville doesn't count as high-profile in my book, but FSU and/or Miami would.

Giving up 6 years of GOR means you'd give up something greater than $60 million dollars with our new agreements.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Also, the Big 12 is fine.  The Big Ten/Pac-12 alliance means that they are done for the foreseeable future.  No Texas, no go in the Pac-12, and Texas has said if they go anywhere at this point, it will be East (ACC), and that looks like it's pretty much not happening now.

We're safe.  Go grab four more with the three ACC defectors, and either ND or Louisville, and we're golden.

If there's anything I've learned during this circus, it's that the dollar amounts on buyouts is always bogus, because everyone lawyers up and wants to get shib resolved (especially in the Big 12, where it seems contracts are as valuable as newspapers).  You can probably half that $60 million, and even then, I wouldn't be surprised if a school could buy its way out for something closer to $25 million.  WVU just paid nearly $20 million to get out of the Big East.  That's not that big a leap, especially for someone like Texas.

That said, someone would have to want to leave for us to test that out, and I'm not sure that's the case right now.

[Panjandrum]

As long as the Pac 12 stays quiet, I think the Big 12 can do no worse than stay in the strong position we are already in.  I think the only wild card for the Big 12 is that stupid west coast conference.  OU (and OSU) would be in the Pac 12 right now if they hadn't said 'request denied' last fall.  And Texas made an attempt at the Pac last year as well, and would also be in that conference if they hadn't said no.  (Actually, they said no to the LHN rather than Texas, but it amounts to the same thing.)

If the Pac 12 will just stay on the sidelines during this summer's Conference Armageddon III, the Big 12 will stay intact and may even pick up a couple of worthy additions.  If the Pac 12 gets involved, I think all hell breaks loose.  If they change their stance on the LHN, or if they re-open the lines of communication with the Oklahoma schools, I shudder to think what could happen.

The six year grant of rights keeps us safe for now

People keep talking about our grant of rights as though it is ironclad or something.  The Big East supposedly had an ironclad contract that required 27-month notice before departure... and WVU left with about a six month notice.  If Texas decided they want out of the Big 12, they could do it.  They would have to pay for it, but the grant of rights certainly wouldn't stop them. 

And the grant of rights does nothing if we see a mass exodus like a couple of years ago.  If UT takes TT, OU and OSU with them and another school or two can find a home somewhere (WVU-ACC?, TCU-SEC?, KU-ACC?), they can simply dissolve the Big 12 and the grant of rights becomes meaningless.  And if Texas is leaving, they're certainly not going to do it alone.

I think there's a pretty good chance the Big 12 will be fine this off season, but I wouldn't put any serious money on it right now.

If the Big 12 is able to attract a high-profile school or two, then our odds of staying alive skyrocket, IMO.  Louisville doesn't count as high-profile in my book, but FSU and/or Miami would.

Giving up 6 years of GOR means you'd give up something greater than $60 million dollars with our new agreements.

Yeah, good luck with that.

Also, the Big 12 is fine.  The Big Ten/Pac-12 alliance means that they are done for the foreseeable future.  No Texas, no go in the Pac-12, and Texas has said if they go anywhere at this point, it will be East (ACC), and that looks like it's pretty much not happening now.

We're safe.  Go grab four more with the three ACC defectors, and either ND or Louisville, and we're golden.

If there's anything I've learned during this circus, it's that the dollar amounts on buyouts is always bogus, because everyone lawyers up and wants to get shib resolved (especially in the Big 12, where it seems contracts are as valuable as newspapers).  You can probably half that $60 million, and even then, I wouldn't be surprised if a school could buy its way out for something closer to $25 million.  WVU just paid nearly $20 million to get out of the Big East.  That's not that big a leap, especially for someone like Texas.

That said, someone would have to want to leave for us to test that out, and I'm not sure that's the case right now.

The GOR is different.  You sign your rights over to the conference.  They don't have to give them back.  It's not a buyout.  You signed over your rights to TV over to the conference.

So, if OU or Texas wanted to leave, that's fine, but they just wouldn't be on TV for the next six years.

It's more than money, but it's an absurd amount of money.  It would be like us leaving for no TV and setting over 12 million dollars on fire every year.

[davegladow]

The GOR is different.  You sign your rights over to the conference.  They don't have to give them back.  It's not a buyout.  You signed over your rights to TV over to the conference.

So, if OU or Texas wanted to leave, that's fine, but they just wouldn't be on TV for the next six years.

It's more than money, but it's an absurd amount of money.  It would be like us leaving for no TV and setting over 12 million dollars on fire every year.

My impression is still that the lawyers would get involved, since this is how our society works.  Once that happens, negotiation begins.  Nothing is ironclad.