Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[KITNfury]

What would be more profitable, having a Big 12 network that has all tier 2 and tier 3 games or doing what we have now with a tier 3 only Big 12 network?

[steve dave]

What would be more profitable, having a Big 12 network that has all tier 2 and tier 3 games or doing what we have now with a tier 3 only Big 12 network?

we can't get out of the FSN tier 2 deal anyway.  the proposal is for tier 3 minus tx and maybe ou.  which makes it crap.  would rather have kstateHD for our one or two non-broadcasted garbage games a year.

[felix rex]

The proposed b12 network wouldn't include tx and may not include ou. pretty shitty.

That means it will likely end up having the production value of that old Fox 6 news station out of Junction City with Gary Brauer.

 

Ha. It makes me think of when I was a kid watching Saturday "66" bball games where it looked like the camera was being operated by a player's mom in the 11th row.

["storm"nut]

I could see the network working with fox in that we could re-brand on of there nets stations into the Big 12 network. Would have a football game on it every Saturday and the rest of the week show coaches shows, replays, and Stormnut chasing tornadoes in West Virginia. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Our new Big 12 Network just needs to include fun programming like "Dancing with the Big 12 (No Texas) Stars". The sports programming would be crap, so we need to make up for that with good shows.

[Dugout DickStone]

Scotchy Jr. is stammering and backtracking on 810. 

First, takes back the statement he previously made that he'd be "shocked" if MU didn't withdraw yesterday.

Corrected it and said it was what he had wanted to hear.

More or less, admitting that he and his dad have essentially staked their entire reputation on this move.

[Dugout DickStone]

Now speculating that MU was being nice by not withdrawing and was waiting to make sure their replacement was all lined up.

 

[Dugout DickStone]

Nate sets him up with "do you know which division they will be in" just waiting for him to admit the East and then give his 5 minute spiel on why the East was the way best for MU.

It sounded like a script.

[Dugout DickStone]

Blaming getting stomped by everyone because of the distractions.

I am starting to love them like I loved NU for their ridiculous statements.

[MadCat]

Now speculating that MU was being nice by not withdrawing and was waiting to make sure their replacement was all lined up.

 

Pffft...being nice?  More like they don't want to be sued.

[Dugout DickStone]

Thinks SEC is dying to have next weekend's game be a "4 hour commercial for the SEC" so it will happen this week.

They have more talking points than KU.

[steve dave]

West Virginia to leave Big East for Big 12
By LENN ROBBINS

Last Updated: 8:51 AM, October 25, 2011

Posted: 2:39 AM, October 25, 2011

The Big East Football Conference's survival as a league with BCS automatic-qualifier status is about to take a serious hit because the Big 12 has lined up West Virginia to replace Missouri, The Post has learned.

The Big 12 held a board of directors meeting yesterday, and a source said the league's plan is to hold on to Missouri, which wants to leave for the SEC, for one more year then replace it with West Virginia.

That would mean the Big East is losing a fourth FBS-playing member, leaving the league with five schools that play FBS football: Cincinnati, Connecticut, Louisville, Rutgers and South Florida.

The Big 12's thinking, which could become more aggressive, forces the Big East to look at "Plan C" as it heads into its annual meeting of presidents and board of directors next Tuesday in Philadelphia.

Initially the league was hoping it could survive by inviting Air Force, Boise State, Central Florida, Houston, Navy and SMU. But if the league also must replace West Virginia along with Pittsburgh, Syracuse and TCU, the Big East must look at Temple and perhaps Army.

"Of all the schools the league has lost, from a football standpoint losing West Virginia would be the most damaging," a source told The Post. "Despite what anyone says, that's the program the league has hung its hat on."

A source said the Big 12, by holding Missouri, might hold at 10 teams for next season and then consider a jump to 16 teams. Louisville and Cincinnati are under consideration as well as Boise State and BYU.

The Big 12 released a statement last night which said, "a strong desire for the University of Missouri to maintain its Big 12 affiliation was expressed." You can bet a lot of lawyers representing conferences, schools and TV networks are billing by the hour.

Mark Nordenberg, the president of Pitt who stabbed Big East commissioner John Marinatto in the back by taking his school to the ACC, may have served one useful purpose: He helped craft the legislation that requires a 27-month stay for teams leaving the Big East for another conference.

It is that legislation, and the firm stance Marinatto has taken since Pitt and Syracuse announced their move to the ACC, which could prevent West Virginia from leaving next season. Marinatto has been adamant about not allowing any outgoing member to negotiate that exit window.

Of course, the Big East faces a bigger problem. If Louisville, Pitt, Syracuse and West Virginia are all headed elsewhere, whether it be in one or two years, Big East Football Conference would probably collapse, leaving the exit penalties moot.

The league is one of six that has AQ status, meaning the league champ gets an automatic berth in the lucrative BCS pool. Without AQ status, the Big East loses all leverage.

[Belvis Noland]

Where is Big Shot Attorney Cat? 

I simply don't understand why we would want to hold onto MU for one more year.  If MU has expressly authorized their CEO to look at new contractual partners, they've anticipatorily breached our BigXII agreement, entitling us to their Exit Fees. 

So, uh, wtf don't we just kick them out now and snatch up the attractive BigEast teams (WVU, LVille, Cincy) while they're still available.  History has proven that a LOT can change in one year's time. 

For all we know, the SEC or the ACC will decide to expand to 16 while we sit with our thumbs in our asses.  And WVU and LVille will go bye-bye. 

Why wait??

[MadCat]

Where is Big Shot Attorney Cat? 

I simply don't understand why we would want to hold onto MU for one more year.  If MU has expressly authorized their CEO to look at new contractual partners, they've anticipatorily breached our BigXII agreement, entitling us to their Exit Fees. 

So, uh, wtf don't we just kick them out now and snatch up the attractive BigEast teams (WVU, LVille, Cincy) while they're still available.  History has proven that a LOT can change in one year's time. 

For all we know, the SEC or the ACC will decide to expand to 16 while we sit with our thumbs in our asses.  And WVU and LVille will go bye-bye. 

Why wait??

Big 12 would probably be in breach of contract with media agreements (depending on how they view pending members) and should sue Missouri for damages equal to the value of those contracts if they leave at the end of this year, IMO.

["storm"nut]

I am beginning to get the feeling that MU has way overplayed their hand here and not just with the Big 12.

Removing the Big 12 logo from their field and talking like they have already left, while not leaving reeks of desperation for the SEC to finally give them an offer.

I am sure they will still get it but they are completely Fing this thing up to the point where it could but that offer in jeopardy.

I hoping that the 1% chance happens and that they don't get an offer from the SEC and the Big 12 gives them the boot and they become part of the ne Big East.  

[Dugout DickStone]

I am beginning to get the feeling that MU has way overplayed their hand here and not just with the Big 12.

Removing the Big 12 logo from their field and talking like they have already left, while not leaving reeks of desperation for the SEC to finally give them an offer.

I am sure they will still get it but they are completely Fing this thing up to the point where it could but that offer in jeopardy.

I hoping that the 1% chance happens and that they don't get an offer from the SEC and the Big 12 gives them the boot and they become part of the ne Big East.  

SEC is just stringing them along so they can get absolutely every concession from MU.  Such as, MU to the SEC East, MU agrees to indemnify and hold harmless the SEC for any legal action including from Big 12 member schools, networks, Sprint center, KC, waive tons of rights, agree to let SEC pick their rivals, etc.

["storm"nut]

I am beginning to get the feeling that MU has way overplayed their hand here and not just with the Big 12.

Removing the Big 12 logo from their field and talking like they have already left, while not leaving reeks of desperation for the SEC to finally give them an offer.

I am sure they will still get it but they are completely Fing this thing up to the point where it could but that offer in jeopardy.

I hoping that the 1% chance happens and that they don't get an offer from the SEC and the Big 12 gives them the boot and they become part of the ne Big East.  

SEC is just stringing them along so they can get absolutely every concession from MU.  Such as, MU to the SEC East, MU agrees to indemnify and hold harmless the SEC for any legal action including from Big 12 member schools, networks, Sprint center, KC, waive tons of rights, agree to let SEC pick their rivals, etc.

I would have thought MU would have caved on those parts or even said they would do it in the first place. Truly its not like the SEC really wants MU its that they are the only schools with some semblance of desirability available.

[MadCat]

http://brett-mcmurphy.blogs.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/29532522/32936807

Shortly after Missouri officially announces it is withdrawing from the Big 12, West Virginia will be extended an invitation to join the Big 12, college football industry sources told CBSSports.com.

 

The Mountaineers will be the latest to leave the Big East Conference. Pittsburgh and Syracuse are leaving for the ACC and TCU will join the Big 12 next season.

 

If West Virginia informs the Big East of its intention to leave before the league adds Navy or Air Force, the Mountaineers would only be held to a $5 million exit fee. If the Big East has added Navy or Air Force, the Mountaineers would have to pay $10 million. Either way, the Mountaineers would not be able to leave the Big East until June 30, 2014 – the same time frame as Syracuse and Pittsburgh.

 

Without West Virginia, Pitt, Syracuse and TCU, the remaining football league members are UConn, Rutgers, USF, Louisville and Cincinnati.

 

Two days ago, Big East commissioner John Marinatto met with officials from Boise State, Houston, SMU, UCF and Navy, but no official invitations were extended.

 

The Big East hopes to add those schools – along with Air Force – to get to a 12-team football league. Even if the Big East adds those schools, without West Virginia, they still would need another school.

[steve dave]

Chip Brown
Orangebloods.com Columnist

Talk about it in Inside the 40 Acres
Orangebloods.com was first to report Notre Dame possibly moving its non-football sports to the Big 12 back in August.

We were nearly laughed off the internet when we reported it.

But the discussion of ND possibly moving its non-football sports to the Big 12 continues to heat up. The subject is actively being discussed by Big 12 administrators and the Irish.

The driving force in all of this has been the close relationship between Notre Dame athletic director Jack Swarbrick and Texas athletic director DeLoss Dodds.

We reported on Monday that ND will decide in 60 days if it is going to move its non-football sports out of the Big East (and into the Big 12).

If Notre Dame does make such a move, it is being proposed that the Irish would remain independent in football but begin playing six football games against Big 12 competition.

Orangebloods.com has reported that Texas would love to replace Texas A&M on Thanksgiving with Notre Dame, if possible. That still may be a bit of a longshot.

But to quote Lloyd Christmas, "So you're saying there's a chance."

One high-ranking official at a Big 12 school holds out the hope that if Notre Dame moves its non-football sports into the Big 12 it would be a "segue to full conference membership in a year or two - about the time the first tier TV rights (held by ABC/ESPN) are negotiated."

Big 12 interim commissioner Chuck Neinas continues to voice hope that Missouri will remain in the Big 12. And there is speculation that Notre Dame's possible interest in the Big 12 for its non-football sports could entice Mizzou to stay put.

Sources said Missouri is being told it will be cut in on any rotation of football games involving Notre Dame and the Big 12.

Some Big 12 administrators, though, think Missouri is still gone.

Orangebloods.com reported Monday that Missouri was expected to talk to SEC officials today (Tuesday) about planning out the next steps for the Tigers.

Orangebloods.com has been reporting for two weeks if Missouri leaves the Big 12, West Virginia would be the top choice to replace the Tigers.

That has not changed, and the Big 12 would move quickly with an announcement when/if MU gives the word it's leaving.

Stay tuned.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I hate Chip Brown so rough ridin' much. What a douche.

Stay tuned!

[BMWWcat]

I only want ND if they commit to going all in.
I want the Big 12 back to 12 teams.
Just my preference.

[username]

I hate Chip Brown so rough ridin' much. What a douche.

Stay tuned!

 

[EllToPay]

I only want ND if they commit to going all in.
I want the Big 12 back to 12 teams.
Just my preference.

Do not want Notre Dame in any sport.

Petro just made an excellent points. Which team is the Cotton Bowl taking? A 6-6 Notre Dame or a 10-2 K-State?

[SkinnyBenny]

I only want ND if they commit to going all in.
I want the Big 12 back to 12 teams.
Just my preference.

Do not want Notre Dame in any sport.

Petro just made an excellent points. Which team is the Cotton Bowl taking? A 6-6 Notre Dame or a 10-2 K-State?

Shitballs, you're right.   

[steve dave]

West Virginia Close to Leaving Big East for Big 12By PETE THAMEL
Published: October 25, 2011
 
West Virginia is headed to the Big 12, according to a person with direct knowledge of the situation, a move that leaves the Big East with five football programs and an uncertain future. The person said Tuesday that the Mountaineers had “applied and are accepted,” leaving only legal entanglements from making the move official. The person spoke on condition of anonymity because the deal had not been formally announced.

West Virginia is the Big East’s flagship football program, and losing its consistently strong performance will hurt the conference as it seeks to hold on to its automatic Bowl Championship Series spot. With the departure of the Mountaineers, who must pay a $5 million exit fee, the conference’s football members are Rutgers, Louisville, South Florida, Connecticut and Cincinnati. That gives it the same number of football teams it had when Boston College, Miami and Virginia Tech departed in 2003.

The only good news for the Big East is that the Big 12 planned to stay at 10 teams for now, the person said. That will spare the Big East any more critical losses and give it a chance to build into the 12-team model that it would prefer.

While Missouri, a current Big 12 member, has yet to announce that it is applying for membership in the Southeastern Conference, that move is still viewed as inevitable. Missouri Chancellor Brady Deaton told The Kansas City Star on Tuesday morning that it could be a “week or two” before Missouri’s application happened.

Legal problems are holding up Missouri’s move, as it has to negotiate an exit fee, and there is a concern among Big 12 teams about how to fill the void in their schedules that Missouri would leave. That creates two problems, as universities will have to scramble to find another opponent, perhaps from the Football Championship Subdivision. A victory over a team from that level would not count toward a Big 12 member’s bowl eligibility. It will also cause the Big 12 to fall short of fulfilling its television contract. Both could be costly for the league.

The SEC made it very clear during its courtship with Texas A&M that it would only accept the Aggies without legal issues, so Missouri must take care of those before joining.

The Big East now moves toward putting together its proposed 12-team model; it hopes to add Air Force, Navy and Boise State in football and Houston, Southern Methodist and Central Florida in all sports. With West Virginia gone, the new team most likely to emerge as a possible member would be Temple, which has received resistance from its Philadelphia rival Villanova. But with the league’s future in peril, it is hard to imagine that Villanova would have enough influence to thwart Temple, which boasts a rising football program, a strong basketball program and the Philadelphia television market. East Carolina and Memphis would be other candidates. Both have openly lobbied to join the Big East in the past.