Smoke your cigars and enjoy the band while you can....

[KITNfury]

Man, I wonder what Capt. Crap was telling us to be patient about...Surely he could not have seen it playing out quite like this.

At some point when things settle down I can probably get into some more detail about the last week or two. Let's just say last night was not surprising.

I will be looking forward to that point in time.

[pissclams]

hopefully in the new Big 12 we can dump KU once and for all.  why do they need to be in this conference?  they bring nothing to the table and are really annoying. 

[Dr Rick Daris]

Man, I wonder what Capt. Crap was telling us to be patient about...Surely he could not have seen it playing out quite like this.

At some point when things settle down I can probably get into some more detail about the last week or two. Let's just say last night was not surprising.

 oh my

[kitten_mittons]

hopefully in the new Big 12 we can dump KU once and for all.  why do they need to be in this conference?  they bring nothing to the table and are really annoying. 

Yes, we should see if UNI wants to take their spot.  They are just as good in basketball, and that's all KU is good for anyway.

[kst8cat]

hopefully in the new Big 12 we can dump KU once and for all.  why do they need to be in this conference?  they bring nothing to the table and are really annoying. 

Exactly.  It's like our state really doesn't have the population to support two BCS level teams, and considering the sorry state of their football program, it doesn't make sense to continue this charade.

[SkinnyBenny]

hopefully in the new Big 12 we can dump KU once and for all.  why do they need to be in this conference?  they bring nothing to the table and are really annoying. 

Exactly.  It's like our state really doesn't have the population to support two BCS level teams, and considering the sorry state of their football program, it doesn't make sense to continue this charade.

So glad we're back to this.   

[MadCat]

Can we get a separate BOR just for K-State?  kthxbai

[deputy dawg]

hopefully in the new Big 12 we can dump KU once and for all.  why do they need to be in this conference?  they bring nothing to the table and are really annoying. 

Exactly.  It's like our state really doesn't have the population to support two BCS level teams, and considering the sorry state of their football program, it doesn't make sense to continue this charade.

Their Georgia Tech game brought a good deal of unwelcome publicity to the state of Kansas.

[MadCat]

[Panjandrum]

ChipBrownOB: Also hearing TCU is exploring the possibility of returning to the Mountain West instead joining the Big East next season.

MWC's lineup + TCU next year probably stands a better chance, long term, of having AQ status than the Big East minus whoever and adding service academies.

Houston may be able to move over there too to get them to twelve?

[pissclams]

Can we get a separate BOR just for K-State?  kthxbai

we already have one.  and a governor.  it's the hayseeds from lawrentucky that need help, not us.

[Dugout DickStone]

Hmmm, LSOC just spent the last 48 hours in Columbia.  Still here actually (the Courtyard is acceptable, the Bennigans attached is subpar)...coincidence?

[Panjandrum]

Hmmm, LSOC just spent the last 48 hours in Columbia.  Still here actually (the Courtyard is acceptable, the Bennigans attached is subpar)...coincidence?

Stayed in that same Courtyard.  The Bennigans is decent as far as Bennigans go, but subpar as far as restaurants go.

[Rage Against the McKee]

ChipBrownOB: Also hearing TCU is exploring the possibility of returning to the Mountain West instead joining the Big East next season.

MWC's lineup + TCU next year probably stands a better chance, long term, of having AQ status than the Big East minus whoever and adding service academies.

Houston may be able to move over there too to get them to twelve?

The Big East is in no danger of losing AQ status. They could add UCF and ECU and actually get better at football.

[Johnny Wichita]

So OU was leading the committee to find new members, the BYU report says it was locked up pretty soon after aTm bailed, then OU knowing the conference was stable again with a solid tenth member held the conference hostage by threatening to go to the PAC to get UT to back down a bit?  

[Panjandrum]

ChipBrownOB: Also hearing TCU is exploring the possibility of returning to the Mountain West instead joining the Big East next season.

MWC's lineup + TCU next year probably stands a better chance, long term, of having AQ status than the Big East minus whoever and adding service academies.

Houston may be able to move over there too to get them to twelve?

The Big East is in no danger of losing AQ status. They could add UCF and ECU and actually get better at football.

Assuming other conferences don't raid them.

[Panjandrum]

So OU was leading the committee to find new members, the BYU report says it was locked up pretty soon after aTm bailed, then OU knowing the conference was stable again with a solid tenth member held the conference hostage by threatening to go to the PAC to get UT to back down a bit?  

More or less.

[Rage Against the McKee]

So OU was leading the committee to find new members, the BYU report says it was locked up pretty soon after aTm bailed, then OU knowing the conference was stable again with a solid tenth member held the conference hostage by threatening to go to the PAC to get UT to back down a bit?  

David Boren is an bad person.

[WillieWatanabe]

[Rage Against the McKee]

ChipBrownOB: Also hearing TCU is exploring the possibility of returning to the Mountain West instead joining the Big East next season.

MWC's lineup + TCU next year probably stands a better chance, long term, of having AQ status than the Big East minus whoever and adding service academies.

Houston may be able to move over there too to get them to twelve?

The Big East is in no danger of losing AQ status. They could add UCF and ECU and actually get better at football.

Assuming other conferences don't raid them.

Well, yeah, if they start losing good football teams, they're mumped.

[Johnny Wichita]

So OU was leading the committee to find new members, the BYU report says it was locked up pretty soon after aTm bailed, then OU knowing the conference was stable again with a solid tenth member held the conference hostage by threatening to go to the PAC to get UT to back down a bit?  

David Boren is an bad person.

Sounds a bit like a badass. 

[ew2x4]

So I guess the biggest question if all of this falls together is 10 or 12 members? Has that been talked about?

[michigancat]

a commitment of 10 years or 20 years or 100 years means nothing anyway.

yeah, weird meltdown by zack.

The meltdown (granted it was/is from a tweet which might not contain all the information) was derived from the idea that a 5 year (or 100 year or 1000 year) “commitment” was going to somehow remediate the issue of retention. It doesn’t.  Pledges don’t.  The only thing that would, imo, is severe penalties.  People could say “you can’t build trust if you hold people hostage”.  I say you can’t trust anyone with options.  Espeically when that option is easy to attain.  Making the TV revenue penalty more severe and instituting a punitive payment would address the issue of retention (or rather it would be more effective).  It wouldn’t completely address retention, obviously, but it’s much better than some “commitment”.  Creating an environment similar to every other successful conference (i.e. equal revenue sharing with a tier 3 conference network) would be another step. 

the bold is part of why it was a weird meltdown, the other is what do you expect them to get done in 2 hours? Did you expect them to come up with a $30 million exit fee in such a short time span? I mean christ.

[Rage Against the McKee]

So OU was leading the committee to find new members, the BYU report says it was locked up pretty soon after aTm bailed, then OU knowing the conference was stable again with a solid tenth member held the conference hostage by threatening to go to the PAC to get UT to back down a bit?  

David Boren is an bad person.

Sounds a bit like a badass. 

http://www.nndb.com/people/839/000051686/

[Panjandrum]

a commitment of 10 years or 20 years or 100 years means nothing anyway.

yeah, weird meltdown by zack.

The meltdown (granted it was/is from a tweet which might not contain all the information) was derived from the idea that a 5 year (or 100 year or 1000 year) “commitment” was going to somehow remediate the issue of retention. It doesn’t.  Pledges don’t.  The only thing that would, imo, is severe penalties.  People could say “you can’t build trust if you hold people hostage”.  I say you can’t trust anyone with options.  Espeically when that option is easy to attain.  Making the TV revenue penalty more severe and instituting a punitive payment would address the issue of retention (or rather it would be more effective).  It wouldn’t completely address retention, obviously, but it’s much better than some “commitment”.  Creating an environment similar to every other successful conference (i.e. equal revenue sharing with a tier 3 conference network) would be another step. 

the bold is part of why it was a weird meltdown, the other is what do you expect them to get done in 2 hours? Did you expect them to come up with a $30 million exit fee in such a short time span? I mean christ.

We have a lot of work to do in general.  Whatever Deaton is supposedly putting together probably requires a very long conference call or an in-person meeting.

I mean we're most likely going to blow the thing up and start over.  If it's ten teams, we're going to lose the stupid name.  If it's back to twelve teams, we have to figure out who they're going to be.  Once you get the members, then we start talking about all of the rest of this crap.