Weed

[nicname]

I know nothing about the heroin scene, but I’ll take your word for it. I haven’t seen anything like what you are describing in other cities with legal weed. Sounds awful tho, I agree with you on that.

San Fra, Portland, and downtown Denver have gotten pretty bad in that department too.

I was in DT Denver for extended stays a couple times over the last year and was out on the town for dinner and shopping at their open market thing in the street , etc. and didn’t think it was bad at all.

Chicago seems unchanged. Minneapolis has mostly legal weed (gummies and delta 8 regular weed), and no issues beyond people’s grievances with BLM stuff.

My tolerance for what others think of as a “bad element” is probably different than most. I mean, I go to Dead concerts etc and choose to be around the element that others apparently find off-putting.  I have never once felt unsafe or disgusted. To each his own I guess.

Seattle is probably a lot like Portland in this regard. Portland is night and day from what it was in 2018 when I last visited Trim. While I disagree w/ Trim regarding pot legalization being one of the root causes (other drugs aren't legal, are they?), I understand what he is talking about, and he describes it to a T.

The policy problems (which are leftist) have a lot more to do with what the hell to do about the mentally unstable, drug addicted and bizarre petty crime laws/enforcement. Downtown absolutely looks like zombieland. These aren't whinos. Encampments are everywhere, not just downtown, but along nearly every highway, under the overpasses, on both sides of the river. My brother in law has had miscreants camp up, then get shooed away from the treed lot across from their house at least three times.   

[sonofdaxjones]

My tolerance for what others think of as a “bad element” is probably different than most. I mean, I go to Dead concerts etc and choose to be around the element that others apparently find off-putting.  I have never once felt unsafe or disgusted. To each his own I guess.

It's a daxian leap to say that a grateful dead concert element is relevant to anything I'm describing.  I'm out on this conversation until it resumes irl here.

Goodness, I live as an implant that at least keeps one part of your brain at a semi-high IQ state in what is otherwise a barely functioning mass of substantia grisea.

Notice to the rest of #blueanongE in a semi-functioning state:  If you want to spark up, drop and/or over indulge in various forms of psychedelics (and similar) please do, and if I'm around, please share.  Thank you.  Note this does not, nor will ever include or any derivative of Fentyal or synthetic opiod, thank you, again.

[ben ji]

My libertarian leaning ass is all for legalizing everything and taxing the crap out of it but at the same time I don't think gas stations should be selling heroin.

I don't know the answer to the problem but I'm glad I don't have to drive to Colorado when my Canadian friend wants some bud. I'm also looking forward to my Canadian friend buying me some mushrooms next summer when we pass through Colorado to vision quest in Wyoming.

[Rage Against the McKee]

My libertarian leaning ass is all for legalizing everything and taxing the crap out of it but at the same time I don't think gas stations should be selling heroin.

I don't know the answer to the problem but I'm glad I don't have to drive to Colorado when my Canadian friend wants some bud. I'm also looking forward to my Canadian friend buying me some mushrooms next summer when we pass through Colorado to vision quest in Wyoming.

Shouldn't the libertarian stance be to legalize everything and not tax it?

[catastrophe]

He’s libertarian LEANING. Not a complete idiot.

[CNS]

I suspect a big problem with the drug issues lined out by Trim is due to the fact that we punish offenders rather than rehabilitating them. 

[mocat]

i think he's more conflating marijuana legalization with the opioid crisis, while living in a place with a temperate climate year round

[MakeItRain]

i think he's more conflating marijuana legalization with the opioid crisis, while living in a place with a temperate climate year round

lol, I'm sure you're not intending to do so but this is amazingly offensive. You just essentially called trim a paste eater

[mocat]

i think he's more conflating marijuana legalization with the opioid crisis, while living in a place with a temperate climate year round

lol, I'm sure you're not intending to do so but this is amazingly offensive. You just essentially called trim a paste eater

he's talking about having to fend off junkies and blaming marijuana stores for it

[BIG APPLE CAT]

I have no idea if there is a correlation between cities that have legal weed and higher rates of homelessness/opiod addiction, but the part that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me is like, heroin, meth, et. al are already illegal so these folks are already willing to break the law, i don't see how weed being legal would really matter.

That's kind of like saying if i'm going to be a bank robber i'm going to move to Montana so if I end up in a high speed chase with the cops they can't bust me for speeding.

[Spracne]

I have no idea if there is a correlation between cities that have legal weed and higher rates of homelessness/opiod addiction, but the part that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me is like, heroin, meth, et. al are already illegal so these folks are already willing to break the law, i don't see how weed being legal would really matter.

That's kind of like saying if i'm going to be a bank robber i'm going to move to Montana so if I end up in a high speed chase with the cops they can't bust me for speeding.

This is the precise moment that I learned Montana has no (daytime) speed limits.

[nicname]

Not having a place for the mentally ill addicts to stay other than the streets while allowing them to be HAF on heroin, meth and crack in public exacerbated the problem, and also not enforcing petty crime laws is a problem. Mocat is correct on the temperate climate for sure.

[nicname]

It doesn’t have anything to do with weed imo.

[MakeItRain]

i think he's more conflating marijuana legalization with the opioid crisis, while living in a place with a temperate climate year round

lol, I'm sure you're not intending to do so but this is amazingly offensive. You just essentially called trim a paste eater

he's talking about having to fend off junkies and blaming marijuana stores for it

You can disagree with the point without playing dumb about said point and insulting his intelligence. You don't think increased access to marijuana doesn't lead to more people gateway'n their way to other substance abuse issues. Got it. I haven't been made aware of any concrete studies that definitely prove or disproves this, do you?

[DaBigTrain]

I have no idea if there is a correlation between cities that have legal weed and higher rates of homelessness/opiod addiction, but the part that doesn't really make a lot of sense to me is like, heroin, meth, et. al are already illegal so these folks are already willing to break the law, i don't see how weed being legal would really matter.

That's kind of like saying if i'm going to be a bank robber i'm going to move to Montana so if I end up in a high speed chase with the cops they can't bust me for speeding.

This is the precise moment that I learned Montana has no (daytime) speed limits.

Another pro of moving to Montana?

[catastrophe]

i think he's more conflating marijuana legalization with the opioid crisis, while living in a place with a temperate climate year round

lol, I'm sure you're not intending to do so but this is amazingly offensive. You just essentially called trim a paste eater

he's talking about having to fend off junkies and blaming marijuana stores for it

You can disagree with the point without playing dumb about said point and insulting his intelligence. You don't think increased access to marijuana doesn't lead to more people gateway'n their way to other substance abuse issues. Got it. I haven't been made aware of any concrete studies that definitely prove or disproves this, do you?

No idea if "cash only" at weed stores is still a thing, but if so then I could see this being a big reason that addicts/homeless hang around them.

I also personally have never pursued getting weed, but I wonder how much "access" is even improved for those populations. Surely where weed is legal it is still much cheaper to get it from a dealer, which most people don't seem to have difficulty finding.

[star seed 7]

Legal weed is (eventually) very cheap

[steve dave]

Legal weed is (eventually) very cheap

Your local tax authority will be the judge of that


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[nicname]

Legal weed is (eventually) very cheap

Cheaper than booze too

[mocat]

i think he's more conflating marijuana legalization with the opioid crisis, while living in a place with a temperate climate year round

lol, I'm sure you're not intending to do so but this is amazingly offensive. You just essentially called trim a paste eater

he's talking about having to fend off junkies and blaming marijuana stores for it

You can disagree with the point without playing dumb about said point and insulting his intelligence. You don't think increased access to marijuana doesn't lead to more people gateway'n their way to other substance abuse issues. Got it. I haven't been made aware of any concrete studies that definitely prove or disproves this, do you?

i didn't say i agreed or disagreed with him, but he's making the connection between the presence of junkies and marijuana dispensaries

[asava]

LOL at MakeItRain going full emotive drunk conservative uncle on weed. Whatever, narc.

[Trim]

i think he's more conflating marijuana legalization with the opioid crisis, while living in a place with a temperate climate year round

lol, I'm sure you're not intending to do so but this is amazingly offensive. You just essentially called trim a paste eater

he's talking about having to fend off junkies and blaming marijuana stores for it

You can disagree with the point without playing dumb about said point and insulting his intelligence. You don't think increased access to marijuana doesn't lead to more people gateway'n their way to other substance abuse issues. Got it. I haven't been made aware of any concrete studies that definitely prove or disproves this, do you?

i didn't say i agreed or disagreed with him, but he's making the connection between the presence of junkies and marijuana dispensaries

Not really. That was Pete’s disingenuous understanding of what I was saying. There is almost nowhere downtown I’d be willing to stand outside waiting more than 5 minutes for Pete, as I’d be barraged by junkies/zombies. The weed store factor in that hypothetical is that 1) that’s where Pete would want to go inside and where I could/would not with my dog, and 2) it’s def worse because of the additional weed people and weed store employees adjacent.

I do believe that a community’s tolerance/acceptance of weed can work as a gateway drug to the community’s tolerance/acceptance of ever-y-thing.

[catastrophe]

Weed being a gateway to anything is probably the single most compelling reason to legalize it everywhere. Take away the taboo and necessary connection to a black market and what is it a gateway to?

[asava]

Weed? Talk to me when you're backassward states legalize mushrooms, dweebs.

[Pete]

Weed? Talk to me when you're backassward states legalize mushrooms, dweebs.

Yep