Bloodied, Battered, and Bruced; WVU ADV

[michigancat]

I'm just sitting here laughing trying to think what would have happened if Frank said "Do not try to throw some rough ridin' hail marry inbounds pass" and our players did it 5 times. The rage would have been incredible.

Also, Frank's players would not have thrown that pass because he specifically told them not to.

He wouldn't have put them in that position because they would have been prepared for the press. I never recall having that much trouble with a press, even under oscar. As I've been saying, though, WVU deserves a ton of credit. Fun team to watch.

[pissclams]

I'm just sitting here laughing trying to think what would have happened if Frank said "Do not try to throw some rough ridin' hail marry inbounds pass" and our players did it 5 times. The rage would have been incredible.

Also, Frank's players would not have thrown that pass because he specifically told them not to.

He wouldn't have put them in that position because they would have been prepared for the press. I never recall having that much trouble with a press, even under oscar. As I've been saying, though, WVU deserves a ton of credit. Fun team to watch.

nebraska just scored again on a backdoor cut

[michigancat]

And I think with a little work, this team would be far better playing at a faster pace. It's a great way to hide the fact that no one can shoot.

[cDubya]

And I think with a little work, this team would be far better playing at a faster pace. It's a great way to hide the fact that no one can shoot.

It sure is...

[MakeItRain]

And I think with a little work, this team would be far better playing at a faster pace. It's a great way to hide the fact that no one can shoot.

absolutely this, biggest frustration with this coaching staff for me


On a similar note, how stupid was Huggins last night and all coaches that tell their players not to take open layups at the end of games? I honestly can't think of a more stupid thing that coaches do across sports. Do you have to be poor at math and probability to be a college basketball coach?

[kso_FAN]

I think playing faster would magnify our dreadful decision making and poor point guard play.

Also, I'm pretty sure Huggs wanted his guys to score on a couple of those late run outs. He seemed to be coaching them that way after they got fouled.

[michigancat]

And I think with a little work, this team would be far better playing at a faster pace. It's a great way to hide the fact that no one can shoot.

absolutely this, biggest frustration with this coaching staff for me


On a similar note, how stupid was Huggins last night and all coaches that tell their players not to take open layups at the end of games? I honestly can't think of a more stupid thing that coaches do across sports. Do you have to be poor at math and probability to be a college basketball coach?

To quote Frank Martin, "stats are for losers"

[michigancat]

I think playing faster would magnify our dreadful decision making and poor point guard play.

I think it would hide it. The whole point of running transition is to create disarray for the defense.

And like I said, if they worked on transition decision making instead of calling a set and dribbling at the circle for 20 seconds you might see an overall improvement uh decision making.

[MakeItRain]

I think playing faster would magnify our dreadful decision making and poor point guard play.

Also, I'm pretty sure Huggs wanted his guys to score on a couple of those late run outs. He seemed to be coaching them that way after they got fouled.

On both of them Stan said that he yelled for the players to pull the ball out.

[Rage Against the McKee]

And I think with a little work, this team would be far better playing at a faster pace. It's a great way to hide the fact that no one can shoot.

absolutely this, biggest frustration with this coaching staff for me


On a similar note, how stupid was Huggins last night and all coaches that tell their players not to take open layups at the end of games? I honestly can't think of a more stupid thing that coaches do across sports. Do you have to be poor at math and probability to be a college basketball coach?

To quote Frank Martin, "stats are for losers"

That's "stats R 4 Losers" on his twitter.

[kso_FAN]

I think playing faster would magnify our dreadful decision making and poor point guard play.

I think it would hide it. The whole point of running transition is to create disarray for the defense.

And like I said, if they worked on transition decision making instead of calling a set and dribbling at the circle for 20 seconds you might see an overall improvement uh decision making.

Also, our guys are pretty terrible at finishing in transition if even a little bit of pressure is put on the shot. Like as bad as I can remember any K-State team.

[MakeItRain]

I think playing faster would magnify our dreadful decision making and poor point guard play.

I think it would hide it. The whole point of running transition is to create disarray for the defense.

And like I said, if they worked on transition decision making instead of calling a set and dribbling at the circle for 20 seconds you might see an overall improvement uh decision making.

Yeah I think playing faster will lessen the burden on the point guards. I mean oscar is playing a line up where 4 of the guys can get themselves to the rim from the 3 point stripe. While none of the guys are adept ball handlers and decision makers, I think we could be fairly capable with lets say Nino, Justin, or Marcus with the ball on the wing in what equates to a 3-on-3 and just getting someone in the lane instead of running offense for 30 seconds and then either dumping the ball to Gip or throwing up a low percentage shot.

[michigancat]

I think playing faster would magnify our dreadful decision making and poor point guard play.

I think it would hide it. The whole point of running transition is to create disarray for the defense.

And like I said, if they worked on transition decision making instead of calling a set and dribbling at the circle for 20 seconds you might see an overall improvement uh decision making.

Also, our guys are pretty terrible at finishing in transition if even a little bit of pressure is put on the shot. Like as bad as I can remember any K-State team.

A missed shot in transition is better than just about any other result you could expect from point guards.

And Foster, Edwards, Wes, and Nino are fine at finishing in transition. I think their games are all better suited for a faster pace, especially Edwards and Wes.  Plus it would create more looks for Foster from 3.

[MakeItRain]

I think playing faster would magnify our dreadful decision making and poor point guard play.

I think it would hide it. The whole point of running transition is to create disarray for the defense.

And like I said, if they worked on transition decision making instead of calling a set and dribbling at the circle for 20 seconds you might see an overall improvement uh decision making.

Also, our guys are pretty terrible at finishing in transition if even a little bit of pressure is put on the shot. Like as bad as I can remember any K-State team.

Correct but our half court offense is worse. I think Edwards and Foster would be like 100x better in a faster pace. The PGs might be bad but I think it suits the better players; Williams, Edwards, Foster, on the team.

[michigancat]

Wes is built to run

[MakeItRain]

yep

We have a fairly athletic team but we play like a valley team full of 2 star jump shooters

[kso_FAN]

yep

We have a fairly athletic team but we play like a valley team full of 2 star jump shooters

The funny thing is oscar's valley teams ran like crazy, he didn't slow it down until Illinois, and part of that was dictated by the pace of the league.

Also, we started out this season playing at a pace in the upper 60s through the first 8 games. It wasn't until we were 4-4 after the loss to Tennessee that we started slowing it down. I don't think this staff thought we could win by playing high pace basketball.

[Mixed-Nutz]

We speed it up we turn the ball over, we slow it down we can't shoot. Seems like a roster problem not a X & O problem.

[michigancat]

We speed it up we turn the ball over, we slow it down we can't shoot. Seems like a roster problem not a X & O problem.

We turn it over in the half court, too. I mean, we play at such a slow pace it's crazy to blame our bad TO rate on transition

[Mixed-Nutz]

yep

We have a fairly athletic team but we play like a valley team full of 2 star jump shooters

The funny thing is oscar's valley teams ran like crazy, he didn't slow it down until Illinois, and part of that was dictated by the pace of the league.

Also, we started out this season playing at a pace in the upper 60s through the first 8 games. It wasn't until we were 4-4 after the loss to Tennessee that we started slowing it down. I don't think this staff thought we could win by playing high pace basketball.

One of the reason we slowed it down deals with our shitty depth. Hurt can't run, Bolden can't play and apparently Tre is not ready. Nigel can't penetrate, I don't know what long term value he has. I want him to move on. But I don't know who we ran replace him with, spring recruiting is the worst.

[ksupamplemousse]

This roster actually seems like it would be really well suited for Huggy/Frank's style. I think if pressure defense/rebounding/pushing the ball were the main focus of practice, then this team could be very JYC. If we were content to let the few decent shooters we have just jack up shots and then let Edwards/Wes/Nino/Bolden go get it off the rim, then our offense would actually be much more effective than it is right now. Also, our players were born to run as Mich pointed out, and it would be nice to see our players play the passing lanes a bit more and take some more gambles on defense so that we can get out in the open floor a little bit more. Watching this team run the motion offense makes we want to rip my eyeballs out.

[pissclams]

we just need to run a 1-4 flat every time down the court.  defend that "coach" bill self.

[Steffy08]

we just need to run a 1-4 flat every time down the court.  defend that "coach" bill self.

Yep, that worked very well the last 6 minutes of the ISU game.

[pissclams]

oh crap, did we run that during the last 6 minutes of the ISU game?  i'm an idiot, never mind the 1-4 flat suggesto.

[pissclams]

i don't know- maybe try a 1-4 high set then.  i'm running out of ideas but will continue to brainstorm, slow day at the office.