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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #250 on: February 02, 2015, 09:16:35 AM »
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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #251 on: February 02, 2015, 09:36:19 AM »

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #252 on: February 02, 2015, 09:39:29 AM »
That's an interesting statistic. Maybe Pete Carroll should have used that instead of "we wanted to score with Lynch on the next play." At the very least, somebody should have told Russell Wilson he wasn't trying to score there. He could have thrown the ball out the back of the endzone.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #253 on: February 02, 2015, 09:40:04 AM »
Pats man

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You'd think I would be completely used to it by now. 

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #254 on: February 02, 2015, 09:40:53 AM »
ole pete was trying to get the mvp to russell and save face for marshawn turning down the contract extension earlier yesterday morning.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #255 on: February 02, 2015, 10:01:07 AM »
That makes no sense, actually. The correct answer is "I called the play that I believed gave us the best chance to win the game, and it simply didn't work." Nobody throws a pass they expect to be incomplete so they can run the ball one or two plays later. That's just stupid.

I'm not saying it makes complete sense, but based on what I've read from both Carroll and Bevell a big part of their thought process after the Kearse catch was to score, but not to leave Brady and the Patriots enough time to drive for the tieing FG. With this comes the over-thinking that is common with coaches and play callers at all levels. Here's my rough interpretation of what was probably going on with the Seattle coaches after the catch.

1st down and a little over a minutes left after the catch, Seattle comes out with 2 back I formation with 1 TE and 2 WRs. They run zone/lead to the TE side which gets them inside the 1 and runs clock. Sure, if they score they are happy, but this was probably their ideal result from that play. After the play you have a little under a minute left and the ball inside the 1 yard line with 1 timeout. In their minds they probably had an ideal scenario where they could score, but leave the Patriots with under 30 seconds and they were probably hoping for under 20. Granted, now the play calling process becomes more dicey. The danger in staying with the same personnel and running the ball again is that if you are stopped you end up using your final timeout with around 20 seconds left. Then you are probably stuck with 2 passing plays (even from the 1 yardline) to end the game because if you run again and get stopped, then you run out of time. All of this may sound like a dumb thought process, but I guarantee you these types of things were discussed between Carroll and Bevell during this time.

So now its 2nd down and goal from the 1. Because of the 1st down play, Seattle is able to run the clock down to under 30 seconds. They sub out the fullback and insert and additional receiver, but NE keeps the same goalline personnel. Once they saw that New England didn't really change their personnel and kept numbers at the LOS the quick slant/pick play was ideal. I'm sure its something they've gone to in goalline situations a lot. In theory its a very safe play because a) you won't give up a sack and b) you shouldn't give up an INT because even if NE plays it well you throw an incomplete pass. Then you have 3rd and goal from the 1 with around 20 seconds left and a timeout, so you have your full goalline playbook available. I would also guess they had 2 plays called or an easy check based on how NE lined up. When NE lined up with man coverage and 2 DBs over the 2 receivers this call was a no brainer. If NE had lined up 3 DBs over the 2 receivers, then you run the ball because you have numbers inside the tackles or you go to the opposite side where the TE and other receiver are lined up.

Butler simply read the rub/slant and broke more quickly than Wilson anticipated and beat the receiver to the spot. It really was a phenomenal play on his part and great coaching/anticipation of the routes. Carroll and Bevell thought the possibility of Butler making that play was very remote if not impossible. Sure, they thought there was a possibility they might score still giving them the around the time they wanted to give the Patriots (less than 25 seconds), but worst case scenario would be an incomplete pass. Then they could go to another power formation and run Lynch, using even more clock and winning the Super Bowl in dramatic fashion.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #256 on: February 02, 2015, 10:06:10 AM »
The goal-line offense had been trash all season; there'd been recent success in shotgun zone-read stuff.  I'm guessing that's what they wanted to run and put 3 WRs out hoping it would open up the middle a bit.  Not surprising to most of us that NE didn't fall for it.  Switching to a pass play upon seeing NE didn't fall for it isn't horrible, but that pass play only having one receiving option and that option being to throw it into the teeth of the D that you were trying to avoid running into is the WTF.

Our 'hawks don't seem to have the "defense on their heels, hurry up to the line and smash it in w/a simple run" play.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #257 on: February 02, 2015, 10:14:29 AM »
The goal-line offense had been trash all season; there'd been recent success in shotgun zone-read stuff.  I'm guessing that's what they wanted to run and put 3 WRs out hoping it would open up the middle a bit.  Not surprising to most of us that NE didn't fall for it.  Switching to a pass play upon seeing NE didn't fall for it isn't horrible, but that pass play only having one receiving option and that option being to throw it into the teeth of the D that you were trying to avoid running into is the WTF.

Our 'hawks don't seem to have the "defense on their heels, hurry up to the line and smash it in w/a simple run" play.

Yeah, I would guess they checked to the slant/pick. I'm pretty certain Wilson moved Lynch over from his right to his left before the snap, so I assume it was a check to the pass play.

The "smash with a simple run" would've just been to line up and run the play they ran on first down. I just think they were thinking of the possibilities of if it didn't score and having to burn their final timeout.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #258 on: February 02, 2015, 10:18:53 AM »
The goal-line offense had been trash all season; there'd been recent success in shotgun zone-read stuff.  I'm guessing that's what they wanted to run and put 3 WRs out hoping it would open up the middle a bit.  Not surprising to most of us that NE didn't fall for it.  Switching to a pass play upon seeing NE didn't fall for it isn't horrible, but that pass play only having one receiving option and that option being to throw it into the teeth of the D that you were trying to avoid running into is the WTF.

Our 'hawks don't seem to have the "defense on their heels, hurry up to the line and smash it in w/a simple run" play.

Yeah, I would guess they checked to the slant/pick. I'm pretty certain Wilson moved Lynch over from his right to his left before the snap, so I assume it was a check to the pass play.

The "smash with a simple run" would've just been to line up and run the play they ran on first down. I just think they were thinking of the possibilities of if it didn't score and having to burn their final timeout.

The possibility of having to burn their final TO if it didn't score only existed b/c of the time they ran off between 1st and 2nd down.  I'd have preferred the 2nd down smash run have been run asap after the Lynch got to the 1-yard line.  If NE would have then won the game down 3 w/40 seconds left, 'grats.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #259 on: February 02, 2015, 10:24:47 AM »
The possibility of having to burn their final TO if it didn't score only existed b/c of the time they ran off between 1st and 2nd down.  I'd have preferred the 2nd down smash run have been run asap after the Lynch got to the 1-yard line.  If NE would have then won the game down 3 w/40 seconds left, 'grats.

That makes perfect sense, but I'm certain that after being destroyed by Brady the entire fourth quarter, they were playing the game to leave him as little time as possible. Especially after Lynch got inside the 1 on first down. They got burned for it.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #260 on: February 02, 2015, 10:33:50 AM »
The possibility of having to burn their final TO if it didn't score only existed b/c of the time they ran off between 1st and 2nd down.  I'd have preferred the 2nd down smash run have been run asap after the Lynch got to the 1-yard line.  If NE would have then won the game down 3 w/40 seconds left, 'grats.

That makes perfect sense, but I'm certain that after being destroyed by Brady the entire fourth quarter, they were playing the game to leave him as little time as possible. Especially after Lynch got inside the 1 on first down. They got burned for it.

Yep, the D was decimated by that point.  Could've easily turned into the worst 40 seconds of Simon's life. 

The call just capped off a horrific 4th quarter.



To be fair, I wanted to kick a FG at the end of the half and Carroll went for it and got 7 instead of 3, so whatever.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #261 on: February 02, 2015, 10:40:23 AM »
pete carroll doesnt call the plays
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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #262 on: February 02, 2015, 10:45:37 AM »
pete carroll doesnt call the plays

Yep, as neutered as OBz.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #263 on: February 02, 2015, 10:56:44 AM »

pete carroll doesnt call the plays

Yeah, I'm sure he had no input with the Super Bowl on the line.

Either way, neither he or Bevell are going to come out and say "we had no faith in our defense to stop Brady, which is why we ran 30 seconds of the clock between 1st and 2nd down, and put ourselves in a situation to call a pass play."

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #264 on: February 02, 2015, 11:05:37 AM »
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1st and 10 at SEA 20   (2:02) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass deep left to M.Lynch to NE 49 for 31 yards (J.Collins).
       
    Two-Minute Warning       

1st and 10 at NE 49   (1:55) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep right to J.Kearse (M.Butler).
       
    Timeout #1 by SEA at 01:50.       

2nd and 10 at NE 49   (1:50) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass incomplete deep right to C.Matthews (B.Browner).   
   
3rd and 10 at NE 49   (1:41) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right to R.Lockette to NE 38 for 11 yards (L.Ryan).   
   
1st and 10 at NE 38   (1:14) (No Huddle, Shotgun) R.Wilson pass deep right to J.Kearse pushed ob at NE 5 for 33 yards (M.Butler).       

    Timeout #2 by SEA at 01:06.   
   
1st and 5 at NE 5   (1:06) M.Lynch left tackle to NE 1 for 4 yards (D.Hightower).   
    
2nd and 1 at NE 1   (:26) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short right intended for R.Lockette INTERCEPTED by M.Butler at NE -1. M.Butler to NE 2 for 3 yards (R.Lockette). PENALTY on NE, Unsportsmanlike Conduct, 1 yard, enforced at NE 2.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #265 on: February 02, 2015, 11:08:59 AM »
The funny thing is had Seattle scored on the pass or even scored on the next play with Lynch, everyone would be questioning Belichick and why he didn't call a timeout after the 1st down run. Many would even be questioning why he didn't just have his defense let Seattle score, so Brady could at least have a shot to tie the game since the Seahawk defense hadn't come close to stopping him in the fourth quarter.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #266 on: February 02, 2015, 11:27:54 AM »
It is nice that Lynch is getting the attention he was desperately craving.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #267 on: February 02, 2015, 11:30:39 AM »
Meh, I don't have a problem w/ Lynch. I think it's stupid the league makes them talk anyways. Honestly, I think he has anxiety issues with the media. Not like Sproles, but maybe in a different way.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #268 on: February 02, 2015, 11:34:08 AM »
I think Lynch knows exactly what he's doing. And I don't really have a problem with that.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #269 on: February 02, 2015, 11:35:03 AM »
Meh, I don't have a problem w/ Lynch. I think it's stupid the league makes them talk anyways. Honestly, I think he has anxiety issues with the media. Not like Sproles, but maybe in a different way.

If only someone would have told him about the league rules before he got those huge checks to play football.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #270 on: February 02, 2015, 11:37:59 AM »
Meh, I don't have a problem w/ Lynch. I think it's stupid the league makes them talk anyways. Honestly, I think he has anxiety issues with the media. Not like Sproles, but maybe in a different way.

If the NFL didn't require players to speak to the media how many would volunteer to do it? And he didn't seem to have anxiety issues in the Conan video.  :dunno:

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #271 on: February 02, 2015, 11:46:56 AM »
IDK. Just spitballing here. I do think several players would volunteer to speak tho. Yes, I'm very aware of their contracts that they sign, 'stone.

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #272 on: February 02, 2015, 11:49:20 AM »

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Re: The Super Bowl
« Reply #273 on: February 02, 2015, 11:51:21 AM »
The funny thing is had Seattle scored on the pass or even scored on the next play with Lynch, everyone would be questioning Belichick and why he didn't call a timeout after the 1st down run. Many would even be questioning why he didn't just have his defense let Seattle score, so Brady could at least have a shot to tie the game since the Seahawk defense hadn't come close to stopping him in the fourth quarter.

Yeah, Belichick should have used a timeout. That was poor coaching. He shouldn't have just let them score, though. Tom Brady or not, there was less than a minute on the clock, and they would have been down 4.

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« Reply #274 on: February 02, 2015, 11:58:25 AM »
Yeah, Belichick should have used a timeout. That was poor coaching. He shouldn't have just let them score, though. Tom Brady or not, there was less than a minute on the clock, and they would have been down 4.

I'm not advocating that they let them score, but it was even brought up by Collinsworth during the game.

Also, they would've been down 3 because they were up 28-24. Seattle almost certainly wouldn't have gone for 2.