The Super Bowl

[Pete]

Butler jumped that thing so fast. It's pretty clear based on the formation NE had a good idea what was coming. Granted, NE had the LOS stacked, so a run from that formation would've been tough too.

It was a great Super Bowl though. Very fun to watch.

Very tough run in that situation.  Only a few teams in the league have a guy who could do it.

Yeah. I think I can remember 1 run where Lynch didn't get positive yards all night.

If you asked everyone associated with the NFL to name one RB to use in that situation, what percent say Lynch?

[Pete]

AND, it seems like the TV guys forget that Kearse had to make a miracle catch to create the opportunity.   Not enough credit to Kearse.

[The Big Train]

Butler jumped that thing so fast. It's pretty clear based on the formation NE had a good idea what was coming. Granted, NE had the LOS stacked, so a run from that formation would've been tough too.

It was a great Super Bowl though. Very fun to watch.

Very tough run in that situation.  Only a few teams in the league have a guy who could do it.

Yeah. I think I can remember 1 run where Lynch didn't get positive yards all night.

If you asked everyone associated with the NFL to name one RB to use in that situation, what percent say Lynch?

probably all, except AP

[Dr Rick Daris]

So stupid. My goodness.

why stupid?

I think the logic says you run Lunch.

But I get Pete's explanation too. They came out with 1 back and 3 wide and the Patriots stayed with their goalline defensive personnel. You have man coverage, so the pick made sense. New England's rookie corner made a heck of a play.

Still, I probably give the ball to one of the best short yardage backs in the game.

meh. it was a good play call, good design, it just didn't work. you are working on hindsight.

Yes, this is true. It was a great play by the corner.

However, the read was pretty easy once he recognized the pick. When a pro corner sees tight receivers by the goalline, the read is pretty easy, it's just a matter of jumping the route and making the play. The guy did.

bottom line is it was a good play call and if executed better, it scores. granted, i'm sure all seattle fans wish carroll would have called the play that worked. that much i'm sure of.

did i slow play _fan one too many posts for me to really be able to link these? maybe.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16412.msg387974#msg387974
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16500.0

[bones129]

Butler jumped that thing so fast. It's pretty clear based on the formation NE had a good idea what was coming. Granted, NE had the LOS stacked, so a run from that formation would've been tough too.

It was a great Super Bowl though. Very fun to watch.

Very tough run in that situation.  Only a few teams in the league have a guy who could do it.

Seattle had one. Lynch.

[kso_FAN]

So stupid. My goodness.

why stupid?

I think the logic says you run Lunch.

But I get Pete's explanation too. They came out with 1 back and 3 wide and the Patriots stayed with their goalline defensive personnel. You have man coverage, so the pick made sense. New England's rookie corner made a heck of a play.

Still, I probably give the ball to one of the best short yardage backs in the game.

meh. it was a good play call, good design, it just didn't work. you are working on hindsight.

Yes, this is true. It was a great play by the corner.

However, the read was pretty easy once he recognized the pick. When a pro corner sees tight receivers by the goalline, the read is pretty easy, it's just a matter of jumping the route and making the play. The guy did.

bottom line is it was a good play call and if executed better, it scores. granted, i'm sure all seattle fans wish carroll would have called the play that worked. that much i'm sure of.

did i slow play _fan one too many posts for me to really be able to link this? yeah probably but still.


http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16500.0

Kinda a difference between being in the 5 and the 1. And I'm fairly sure I'd never compare Hubes to Lynch. But whatever.

[Dr Rick Daris]

So stupid. My goodness.

why stupid?

I think the logic says you run Lunch.

But I get Pete's explanation too. They came out with 1 back and 3 wide and the Patriots stayed with their goalline defensive personnel. You have man coverage, so the pick made sense. New England's rookie corner made a heck of a play.

Still, I probably give the ball to one of the best short yardage backs in the game.

meh. it was a good play call, good design, it just didn't work. you are working on hindsight.

Yes, this is true. It was a great play by the corner.

However, the read was pretty easy once he recognized the pick. When a pro corner sees tight receivers by the goalline, the read is pretty easy, it's just a matter of jumping the route and making the play. The guy did.

bottom line is it was a good play call and if executed better, it scores. granted, i'm sure all seattle fans wish carroll would have called the play that worked. that much i'm sure of.

did i slow play _fan one too many posts for me to really be able to link this? yeah probably but still.


http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16500.0

Kinda a difference between being in the 5 and the 1. And I'm fairly sure I'd never compare Hubes to Lynch. But whatever.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16412.msg387974#msg387974

the situations seemed very similar.

[bones129]

Let's do it again next year. Hawks are already favored over the Pats.

http://espn.go.com/chalk/story/_/id/12265900/seattle-seahawks-next-year-super-bowl-favorites

[kso_FAN]

So stupid. My goodness.

why stupid?

I think the logic says you run Lunch.

But I get Pete's explanation too. They came out with 1 back and 3 wide and the Patriots stayed with their goalline defensive personnel. You have man coverage, so the pick made sense. New England's rookie corner made a heck of a play.

Still, I probably give the ball to one of the best short yardage backs in the game.

meh. it was a good play call, good design, it just didn't work. you are working on hindsight.

Yes, this is true. It was a great play by the corner.

However, the read was pretty easy once he recognized the pick. When a pro corner sees tight receivers by the goalline, the read is pretty easy, it's just a matter of jumping the route and making the play. The guy did.

bottom line is it was a good play call and if executed better, it scores. granted, i'm sure all seattle fans wish carroll would have called the play that worked. that much i'm sure of.

did i slow play _fan one too many posts for me to really be able to link this? yeah probably but still.


http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16500.0

Kinda a difference between being in the 5 and the 1. And I'm fairly sure I'd never compare Hubes to Lynch. But whatever.

http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=16412.msg387974#msg387974

the situations seemed very similar.

Other than we were on the 5 and they were the 1 (with Lynch).

[star seed 7]

30 seconds compared to 8 seconds

[Dr Rick Daris]

wrong. both teams had one time out. also, the argument isn't hubert vs lynch. it's ksu running game vs osu against seattle running game vs new england. ksu ran for 276 yards that game and averaged 5.4 yards per rush.

also my opinion is no crap both teams should have ran it. i was just setting you up with the good play call just didn't execute bs.

[star seed 7]

daxian flailing from ricky d here

[kso_FAN]

wrong. both teams had one time out.

I corrected that.

I also said in that thread that you linked I probably would have ran it on first down.

[kso_FAN]

Welp.

https://twitter.com/trenthosick/status/561584207059644416

[Dr Rick Daris]

The plays were bad because they didn't work. I don't think it was some horribly stupid decision to throw.

So stupid. My goodness.

[kso_FAN]

My goodness Rick. I think the yard line and time differences are significant. I think stupid was probably too strong a word in my initial reaction. I think in both situations if I was calling the play I would have ran the ball.

[bones129]

My goodness Rick. I think the yard line and time differences are significant. I think stupid was probably too strong a word in my initial reaction. I think in both situations if I was calling the play I would have ran the ball.

 

[kso_FAN]

Makes some sense, but with that result they will never live it down.

GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell says he made the play call that may have ultimately cost his team the Super Bowl with the game clock in mind.

The Seahawks had second-and-goal at the New England 1 with 26 second to go Sunday, but instead of giving the ball to Marshawn Lynch, Seattle ran a slant route intended for Ricardo Lockette that was intercepted by Malcolm Butler in the 28-24 loss to the New England Patriots.

"We were conscious of how much time was on the clock and we wanted to use it all," Bevell said. "It didn't turn out the way I hoped it would.

"Of course I can say now I wish we had done something different. There are 20 different things going through my mind that we can do. If you run it that doesn't mean you would score on that play."

Seattle coach Pete Carroll said they made the call based on the New England defensive formation.

"I told you what happened," Carroll said. "We were going to run the ball in to win the game, but not on that play. I didn't want to waste a run play on their goal-line guys. It was a clear thought, but it didn't work out right. The guy [Butler] made a play that no one would have thought he could make."

Seahawks receiver Doug Baldwin said the game "shouldn't have come down to that one play."

"I think we all were surprised,'' said Baldwin when asked why they didn't give it to Lynch. "We still had a timeout and felt we should take a shot. I don't know man. I'm just trying to make up an explanation. Everybody is going to want to blame something or somebody."

Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson said they had executed well in that position throughout the season.

"I wasn't surprised," Wilson said about the controversial call. "We've done a great job in those situations all year."

[Dr Rick Daris]

My goodness Rick. I think the yard line and time differences are significant. I think stupid was probably too strong a word in my initial reaction. I think in both situations if I was calling the play I would have ran the ball.

i mean you kind of have to admit that i busted you a little bit though and that you used not stupid in one post and then stupid in the other. i mean that's kind of funny/interesting. 

[kso_FAN]

[Dr Rick Daris]

YES! 

[Trim]

Def stupid.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Makes some sense, but with that result they will never live it down.

GLENDALE, Ariz. -- Seattle Seahawks offensive coordinator Darrell Bevell says he made the play call that may have ultimately cost his team the Super Bowl with the game clock in mind.

The Seahawks had second-and-goal at the New England 1 with 26 second to go Sunday, but instead of giving the ball to Marshawn Lynch, Seattle ran a slant route intended for Ricardo Lockette that was intercepted by Malcolm Butler in the 28-24 loss to the New England Patriots.

"We were conscious of how much time was on the clock and we wanted to use it all," Bevell said. "It didn't turn out the way I hoped it would.

"Of course I can say now I wish we had done something different. There are 20 different things going through my mind that we can do. If you run it that doesn't mean you would score on that play."

Seattle coach Pete Carroll said they made the call based on the New England defensive formation.

"I told you what happened," Carroll said. "We were going to run the ball in to win the game, but not on that play. I didn't want to waste a run play on their goal-line guys. It was a clear thought, but it didn't work out right. The guy [Butler] made a play that no one would have thought he could make."

Seahawks receiver Doug Baldwin said the game "shouldn't have come down to that one play."

"I think we all were surprised,'' said Baldwin when asked why they didn't give it to Lynch. "We still had a timeout and felt we should take a shot. I don't know man. I'm just trying to make up an explanation. Everybody is going to want to blame something or somebody."

Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson said they had executed well in that position throughout the season.

"I wasn't surprised," Wilson said about the controversial call. "We've done a great job in those situations all year."

That makes no sense, actually. The correct answer is "I called the play that I believed gave us the best chance to win the game, and it simply didn't work." Nobody throws a pass they expect to be incomplete so they can run the ball one or two plays later. That's just stupid.

[Dugout DickStone]

Pats man

[Tobias]

Pats man

feels pretty good