Author Topic: oscar Weber can't get along with his best players (Read 9997 times)

Pete · « **on:** January 03, 2015, 04:15:25 PM »

Angel left him, and oscar said he "never saw it coming." Now, Marcus Foster is clearly leaning toward leaving the program as well.

Is this just "bad luck," for oscar?

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1 on:** January 03, 2015, 04:21:37 PM »

See my quote in one other threads from Brandon Paul. Meyers Leonard loved the crap outta him though.

Pete · « **Reply #2 on:** January 03, 2015, 04:22:51 PM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on January 03, 2015, 04:21:37 PM

See my quote in one other threads from Brandon Paul. Meyers Leonard loved the crap outta him though.

Repost the quote, if you don't mind. I am curious about this.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #3 on:** January 03, 2015, 04:26:41 PM »

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Now, while I don't want to simply pile on Weber because the Illini are suddenly winning again, there was a quote from Brandon Paul in Jon Greenberg's column -- which is good and you should read the entire thing after you're done here -- about John Groce that stood out to me. While Paul doesn't come out and say anything directly, if you read between the lines of what he was saying about John Groce it becomes pretty damning of oscar Weber and the coaching staff last season.

Paul was asked about why this team was able to get back up after being knocked down to the ground this season, unlike last year when it stayed on the mat.

"The coaches never gave up on us," Paul told Greenberg. "They want to see us succeed. They said, we've had this rough stretch but gotta fight through it. No one on the team gave up on each other."

If that's what Paul meant, then it just goes to this Foster situation and oscar blame game we've talked about.

sys · « **Reply #4 on:** January 04, 2015, 06:34:58 AM »

dunno if it shits on your point, strengthens it, or is completely irrelevant, but weber did see it coming.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #5 on:** January 04, 2015, 08:48:28 AM »

oscar recruited a player he knew he wouldn't get along with?

catzacker · « **Reply #6 on:** January 04, 2015, 09:37:42 AM »

who wouldn't want to play for him?

Quote from: oscar

Nino's got to play well. He had his best run as a player, now he just lays an egg the last three games. This has been the M.O. for his career. He'll have a few good games here and there. Never consistent.

Pete · « **Reply #7 on:** January 04, 2015, 09:59:43 AM »

Chum mentioned in another thread that publicly making statements that most people make in private, might be oscar's way of motivating Nino....I assume Chum means that this is the last attempt that oscar is making....like nothing else has worked.

Huggins was milder with Jason Bennett, but it was still a public "call out." IIRC, Huggs was pretty fed up with Jason at that point, and the public call out was his last attempt. But, Jason was a freshman at the time. It's strange to do that to a senior.

catzacker · « **Reply #8 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:04:12 AM »

I'm all for player motivation. I mean, if you can't get your point across at practice (which is like everyday for a couple of hours when you aren't playing a game) and you can't get your point across from showing them the bench, then I guess the last resort is to call them out in the media. I'm all for it. Can't wait to see if it works. I remember when Roy would pull his starting 5 players who were all McDonald's All-Americans and put in 5 new subs, which were just 3 and 4* guys or young McDonald's All Americans, the starting guys usually responded. So we'll see if this kind of motivation works for oscar.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #9 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:10:37 AM »

Quote from: catzacker on January 04, 2015, 09:37:42 AM

who wouldn't want to play for him?

Quote from: oscar
Nino's got to play well. He had his best run as a player, now he just lays an egg the last three games. This has been the M.O. for his career. He'll have a few good games here and there. Never consistent.

Yup, he has got his player's back

chum1 · « **Reply #10 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:14:15 AM »

I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.

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"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.

"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."

http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml

michigancat · « **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:27:29 AM »

"We can't have that many empty seats, its too early in the semester, they arent studying this early, so where are they?. I dont want my name associated with it. If "they" want to call it Huggieville, they better do it right. If were not going to do it right, we might as well call it Bennettville."

http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=10921.0

chum1 · « **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:29:05 AM »

OMG

chum1 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:31:21 AM »

I have tears.

Pete · « **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:36:50 AM »

Quote from: chum1 on January 04, 2015, 10:14:15 AM

I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.

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"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.

"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."

http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml

Chum, does this seem the same, less severe, or more severe than Weber's comments about Nino? In your opinion.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #15 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:39:10 AM »

I always looked at Huggs as a red ass who said that crap off the cuff. Weber is such a passive aggressive weenie it just comes off weird. I see the similarity tho

catzacker · « **Reply #16 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:39:56 AM »

I guess my point is, none of that crap works. It's all bullshit. This isn't specific to Weber. But the idea that Weber, in comparison to Huggins and Martin, getting "tough" on a player through the media is rather hilarious to me. He's such a passive aggressive eff.

Pete · « **Reply #17 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:44:40 AM »

Quote from: catzacker on January 04, 2015, 10:39:56 AM

I guess my point is, none of that crap works. It's all bullshit. This isn't specific to Weber. But the idea that Weber, in comparison to Huggins and Martin, getting "tough" on a player through the media is rather hilarious to me. He's such a passive aggressive eff.

I may be dead wrong on this, but I get the feeling that Weber would not say this to Nino's face. In contrast, I have zero doubt that Huggins would say such things to a players face.

It excuses nothing, for either. It just makes me like oscar less, but that's easy to do.

Pete · « **Reply #18 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:45:39 AM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2015, 10:39:10 AM

I always looked at Huggs as a red ass who said that crap off the cuff. Weber is such a passive aggressive weenie it just comes off weird. I see the similarity tho

They are definitely similar. Cartier was a senior as well.

chum1 · « **Reply #19 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:50:52 AM »

Quote from: Pete on January 04, 2015, 10:36:50 AM

Quote from: chum1 on January 04, 2015, 10:14:15 AM
I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.

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"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.

"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."

http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml

Chum, does this seem the same, less severe, or more severe than Weber's comments about Nino? In your opinion.

Less, I'd say. But the larger point is that if you're going to the trouble of making these sorts of distinctions, it's because you don't like Weber for other reasons. Why not just stick to those reasons? Winning doesn't even have to enter the picture. Just say you don't like his style (win or lose) and forego all of the nitpicking in this and other threads.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #20 on:** January 04, 2015, 10:59:50 AM »

Blogs are for nitpicking

Pete · « **Reply #21 on:** January 04, 2015, 11:00:33 AM »

Quote from: chum1 on January 04, 2015, 10:50:52 AM

Quote from: Pete on January 04, 2015, 10:36:50 AM
Quote from: chum1 on January 04, 2015, 10:14:15 AM
I don't have your guys' expertise on what constitutes calling out, but Huggins definitely has no problem with criticizing individual players by name.

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"He needs to start making some shots, and he did. He made the shots that he ought to make," Huggins said.

"I want Cartier to be a player, though. I don't want Cartier just to make shots. I want Cartier to rebound the ball. Cartier had one defensive rebound coming into this game."

http://cjonline.com/stories/111906/cat_mensbb.shtml

Chum, does this seem the same, less severe, or more severe than Weber's comments about Nino? In your opinion.

Less, I'd say. But the larger point is that if you're going to the trouble of making these sorts of distinctions, it's because you don't like Weber for other reasons. Why not just stick to those reasons? Winning doesn't even have to enter the picture. Just say you don't like his style (win or lose) and forego all of the nitpicking in this and other threads.

I will forego nothing, because you are not the boss of me.

However, you'll be happy to know that I have moved on to the distinction of "passive aggressiveness," as it relates to this specific incident....just a few posts ago, as a matter of fact! This one will bear a ton of fruit, I just know it.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #22 on:** January 04, 2015, 11:11:30 AM »

oscar would never tell Nino his career has been crappily inconsistent to his face.

Pete · « **Reply #23 on:** January 04, 2015, 11:12:43 AM »

Quote from: Dugout DickStone on January 04, 2015, 11:11:30 AM

oscar would never tell Nino his career has been crappily inconsistent to his face.

That's feeling I get as well, but we might be wrong.

Dugout DickStone · « **Reply #24 on:** January 04, 2015, 11:15:56 AM »

Quote from: catzacker on January 04, 2015, 10:39:56 AM

I guess my point is, none of that crap works. It's all bullshit. This isn't specific to Weber. But the idea that Weber, in comparison to Huggins and Martin, getting "tough" on a player through the media is rather hilarious to me. He's such a passive aggressive eff.

It works to distract the stupid portion of the fan base