Per Kenpom...

[Pete]

the big 12 championship is still available
if we win it, does that buy oscar more time as the mayor of katsville?

Lifetime contract if he wins the conference.

[ksupamplemousse]

I wasn't saying we would go 2-16 or whatever.  I was just saying that people who wanted something like that to happen (this season) in hopes that it would hasten oscar's departure are likely mistaken.  The opposite would probably happen in fact.

I don't think we'll go 2-16 either, but I do think it'd get oscar fired. That's just an absolute disaster of a season. Assuming we win against Georgia, which is probably way too much to assume at this point, that would give oscar 10 wins during the regular season. That would be the worst season (in terms of W/L %) since the one that got Tan Tom fired, and for the second worst season we'd have to go all the way back to the 1914-1915 season. So yes, 2-16 would most likely get his ass canned, because it would be historically bad.

[Mr Bread]

Nope.

[Yard Dog]

Woolridge at KState:



If oscar does worse than any of this he should be fired outright.

[ksupamplemousse]

There also would be a ton of drama coming out of that K-State locker room if we go 2-16. Mutiny 2.0 would be on the horizon, awkward player/coach beefs like oscar always had at Illinois, rumors of players getting into fistfights. There's no way he'd survive. Like Rusty said though, no way we go 2-16, so it's kind of a pointless discussion.

[Skipper44]

Hey dum dums, if Weber does "kenpom" the season that is not good news.  It's almost the worst case scenario because you know next year he will almost certainly do better. Going from let's say 2-16 to 8-10 would be seen as signs of amazing improvement.   This would buy him at least three more years I bet.  On the other hand the other trajectory makes it much easier to get rid of him (if this is indeed desired). A 8-10 season this year followed by 2-16 would likely doom him unless something amazing happened the very next season.

Season    Team    Overall  Conf. Standing   Postseason

2007–08   Illinois   16–19   5–13   T–9th     none
2008–09   Illinois   24–10   11–7   T–2nd    NCAA First Round

 

Bread, how did that happen?  My 30 second perusal of statsheet.com for the those 2 seasons makes me think it was Mike Davis and Mike Tisdale making big FR to Soph improvements to give some much better post play to compliment Chet, McCamey and Meacham that were already decent on the perimeter.

If that is the case I don't see that happening next year.  Assuming there are no transfers and all the perimeter guys are back for 15-16 our post players will be Hurt, Bolden, DJamer (if his foot heals) and the 3 star project big from Texas.  I mean, this team can hardly find shots in the half court vs mid and low majors with Gip drawing double teams.

[ChiComCat]

the big 12 championship is still available
if we win it, does that buy oscar more time as the mayor of katsville?

Lifetime contract if he wins the conference.

Can you imagine the "adversity" he will have overcome?

[Mr Bread]

Hey dum dums, if Weber does "kenpom" the season that is not good news.  It's almost the worst case scenario because you know next year he will almost certainly do better. Going from let's say 2-16 to 8-10 would be seen as signs of amazing improvement.   This would buy him at least three more years I bet.  On the other hand the other trajectory makes it much easier to get rid of him (if this is indeed desired). A 8-10 season this year followed by 2-16 would likely doom him unless something amazing happened the very next season.

Season    Team    Overall  Conf. Standing   Postseason

2007–08   Illinois   16–19   5–13   T–9th     none
2008–09   Illinois   24–10   11–7   T–2nd    NCAA First Round

 

Bread, how did that happen?  My 30 second perusal of statsheet.com for the those 2 seasons makes me think it was Mike Davis and Mike Tisdale making big FR to Soph improvements to give some much better post play to compliment Chet, McCamey and Meacham that were already decent on the perimeter.

If that is the case I don't see that happening next year.  Assuming there are no transfers and all the perimeter guys are back for 15-16 our post players will be Hurt, Bolden, DJamer (if his foot heals) and the 3 star project big from Texas.  I mean, this team can hardly find shots in the half court vs mid and low majors with Gip drawing double teams.

They played really good defense and the big 10 outside of MSU was crap that year.  They were lollers bad on offense.  I was so mad about it at the time. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

Hey dum dums, if Weber does "kenpom" the season that is not good news.  It's almost the worst case scenario because you know next year he will almost certainly do better. Going from let's say 2-16 to 8-10 would be seen as signs of amazing improvement.   This would buy him at least three more years I bet.  On the other hand the other trajectory makes it much easier to get rid of him (if this is indeed desired). A 8-10 season this year followed by 2-16 would likely doom him unless something amazing happened the very next season.

Season    Team    Overall  Conf. Standing   Postseason

2007–08   Illinois   16–19   5–13   T–9th     none
2008–09   Illinois   24–10   11–7   T–2nd    NCAA First Round

 

Bread, how did that happen?  My 30 second perusal of statsheet.com for the those 2 seasons makes me think it was Mike Davis and Mike Tisdale making big FR to Soph improvements to give some much better post play to compliment Chet, McCamey and Meacham that were already decent on the perimeter.

If that is the case I don't see that happening next year.  Assuming there are no transfers and all the perimeter guys are back for 15-16 our post players will be Hurt, Bolden, DJamer (if his foot heals) and the 3 star project big from Texas.  I mean, this team can hardly find shots in the half court vs mid and low majors with Gip drawing double teams.

How was our team so much better last season? Did Will Spradling really make that much of a difference?

[CHONGS]

I think a lot of people (wrongly IMO) downplayed the importance of Shane. He was a good player for us, but he was also the convenient scapegoat. In other words, losing Shane was a bigger deal than losing Sprads.  I guess a lot of people convinced themselves that losing him would be addition by subtraction somehow because he smiled too much.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think a lot of people (wrongly IMO) downplayed the importance of Shane. He was a good player for us, but he was also the convenient scapegoat.

I thought he was great, but oscar kept him on the bench too much for him to be that big of a difference maker.

[Skipper44]

I think a lot of people (wrongly IMO) downplayed the importance of Shane. He was a good player for us, but he was also the convenient scapegoat. In other words, losing Shane was a bigger deal than losing Sprads.  I guess a lot of people convinced themselves that losing him would be addition by subtraction somehow because he smiled too much.

It seems wrong given how well Nino has played this season but Shane's threat as a 3 pt shooter seems to be more valuable to bruceketball.  He also defended the rim much better than Nino and Hurt for that matter. 

I mean, if someone said Nino was going to give us 13&5 while shooting 55%/75% in only 28 mpg before the season I would think that increase alone would be enough to keep this team at a similar level to last season given the proven guys I think we have in Foster and Gip.

[michigancat]

I think a lot of people (wrongly IMO) downplayed the importance of Shane. He was a good player for us, but he was also the convenient scapegoat. In other words, losing Shane was a bigger deal than losing Sprads.  I guess a lot of people convinced themselves that losing him would be addition by subtraction somehow because he smiled too much.

yep.

Of course, Will knew all the plays and where to be on defense, unlike Shane.

[wetwillie]

I think a lot of people (wrongly IMO) downplayed the importance of Shane. He was a good player for us, but he was also the convenient scapegoat.

I thought he was great, but oscar kept him on the bench too much for him to be that big of a difference maker.

That's not true

[Steffy08]

The biggest problem with this team is lack of effort.

A very distant second is the lack of an outside threat other than Foster.  I'm in favor of letting Hurt jack up threes to see what he can do.  The stroke looks good.

[CNS]

Sock outed.

[The Big Train]

god damnit yard dog

[star seed 7]

The biggest problem with this team is lack of effort.

A very distant second is the lack of an outside threat other than Foster.  I'm in favor of letting Hurt jack up threes to see what he can do.  The stroke looks good.

ok gene

[0.42]

Texas Southern just lost to 6-9 New Mexico State. Let that sink in.

[BWebbs0]

Texas Southern just lost to 6-9 New Mexico State. Let that sink in.

Well, at least Kenpom predicted it? 

[0.42]

btw the "let that sink in" line (which is looking more and more asinine upon concurrent viewings) was mainly aimed at any tucks who stumble upon this thread but whatever.

[The Big Train]

"for a minute." your welcome @catstowin

[yoman]

btw the "let that sink in" line (which is looking more and more asinine upon concurrent viewings) was mainly aimed at any tucks who stumble upon this thread but whatever.

So Steffy and Reno essentially.

[0.42]

btw the "let that sink in" line (which is looking more and more asinine upon concurrent viewings) was mainly aimed at any tucks who stumble upon this thread but whatever.

So Steffy and Reno essentially.

Yeah, although I kind of hope reno doesn't see it because his posts are a treasure trove of unintentional excellence.

[bballfan]

Whats made it worse is expectations. Like at the beginning of last season, I had no hope of being any good, and then Foster happened. This year I expected to be good, and gained a lot of false hope during the close game with Arizona, only to watch it all come crashing down.