Who should replace oscar Weber?

[Missouriscribe]

The Louisville arena is big, but a little weird too. It is the centerpiece of the city convention center and has a tacky multipurpose feel to it.

[TownieCat]

How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.

I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.

And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.

Yeah, mix in the best AD in the country in Jurich, I'd rank it as one of the one of the top jobs in the country based on the ridiculous resources alone.

I mean, JFC, these guys roll in $26.9 a year in profit from their basketball program with the next closest school in North Carolina at $16.9 million.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/

They were none of these things before Pitino. As great as Denny Crum was, and I really liked Louisville, they were very much a mid-major program. That profitable stat doesn't much when it comes to determining who is a blue blood. Marquette spends more money per player than any school in the country, what does that mean? Louisville is unquestionably a great program, they aren't a blue blood though. It's not a perfect comparison but they are similar to college football's Oregon.

A better comparison to a football school is Florida State. Louisville has been one of the 5 most consistently good teams over the past 40+ years. Crum's run in the 80s is very similar to what Bowden did in the 90s. They may not be a true blue blood like UK or UNC, but they aren't that far behind.

[Skipper44]

I would say the following are tier 1

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Kansas
UCLA
Arizona
Indiana
Ohio State
Florida
Texas

All the bolded schools are traditional basketball first schools with a national name and resources to do whatever it takes to win.  The next 3 are clearly football schools in the most talent rich areas where basketball is a nice winter diversion at best(OSU) to almost an afterthought at worst (Texas). 

The 2 programs I would consider just on the wrong side of the Tier 1/Tier 2 line are Michigan State and UConn.  UConn is pretty easy to down grade due to their crap conference, MSU is a littler tougher to keep out.  They have had great success for over 30 years but they aren't clearly a basketball first school and they don't have the incredible resources of FL, TX or tOSU. 

I would put Louisville in this group with MSU and UConn now that they are in the ACC.   Also, i have heard the incredible profits that UofL enjoys are at least partly due to a YUM Center lease that is essentially city provided welfare but i would need Dax to confirm.

[MakeItRain]

I would say the following are tier 1

Duke
UNC
Kentucky
Kansas
UCLA
Arizona
Indiana
Ohio State
Florida
Texas

All the bolded schools are traditional basketball first schools with a national name and resources to do whatever it takes to win.  The next 3 are clearly football schools in the most talent rich areas where basketball is a nice winter diversion at best(OSU) to almost an afterthought at worst (Texas). 

The 2 programs I would consider just on the wrong side of the Tier 1/Tier 2 line are Michigan State and UConn.  UConn is pretty easy to down grade due to their crap conference, MSU is a littler tougher to keep out.  They have had great success for over 30 years but they aren't clearly a basketball first school and they don't have the incredible resources of FL, TX or tOSU. 

I would put Louisville in this group with MSU and UConn now that they are in the ACC.   Also, i have heard the incredible profits that UofL enjoys are at least partly due to a YUM Center lease that is essentially city provided welfare but i would need Dax to confirm.

Texas doesn't belong there. They've had 100+ years to prove they should be with that group and their results aren't even close. College basketball recruiting is completely national, it is nothing like football. UT has no recruiting advantage with Texas kids and even if they did prep basketball in Texas isn't even close to being as dominant as high school football is the state. Same rule applies to Florida.

[Catman2]

Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense.  When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois.  A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.

It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?".  Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.

[Mr Bread]

I don't think Catman2 is a cat fan. 

[pissclams]

Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense.  When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois.  A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.

It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?".  Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.

DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.

[pissclams]

also is the premise of this thread that DeBruce is in serious contention for the Orlando Magic job?  i'm asking b/c i've heard things.

[Catman2]

Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?

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Quote from: Catman2 on Today at 04:58:50 PM

Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense.  When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois.  A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.

It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?".  Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.




DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.



Everyone knows that.  So you are not confused, he taught players he didn't recruit to run it with success in a very short amount of time.  Yeah, yeah, go ahead, tell me they were Self's players. Weber got them to stay, run the motion and they played hard for him.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?

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Quote from: Catman2 on Today at 04:58:50 PM

Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense.  When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois.  A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.

It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?".  Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.




DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.



Everyone knows that.  So you are not confused, he taught players he didn't recruit to run it with success in a very short amount of time.  Yeah, yeah, go ahead, tell me they were Self's players. Weber got them to stay, run the motion and they played hard for him.

What is your point? 10 years ago oscar got someone else's stud recruits to run motion and they won a lot of games. It also happened 2 years ago with Frank's players. WGAF? The point here is that oscar is inflexible and cannot adjust to fit his current roster. He can't do it big picture with offensive scheme and he can't do it in-game.

[Dr Rick Daris]

catman2 is my new favorite poster and sounds like a huge catfan. go cats. 

[slobber]

Go Magic. Go cats.


Gonna win 'em all!

[Mr Bread]

Catman2 has no regard for the quote function.  Is that a C & P with some editing? #outlaw #wellbye

[pissclams]

Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?

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Quote from: Catman2 on Today at 04:58:50 PM

Sadly, Weber ain't going nowhere. Wish he would have recruited kids smart enough to grasp his motion offense.  When he coached Deron Williams, Dee Brown and Luther Head at Illinois, it was a pleasure to watch them run it. Sometimes they looked like the Harlem Globetrotters playing the Washington Generals. He even had players good enough to run it at Southern Illinois.  A darn shame he can't get that kind of player at KSU.

It's not "Who should replace oscar Webber?", the question is "Who would want to live in Manhattan long term?".  Might be able to get a steppin' stone coach.




DeBruce didn't recruit williams, brown, or head. so there's that.



Everyone knows that.  So you are not confused, he taught players he didn't recruit to run it with success in a very short amount of time.  Yeah, yeah, go ahead, tell me they were Self's players. Weber got them to stay, run the motion and they played hard for him.

our players that DeBruce recruited are too dumb to run DeBruce's offense. 

point- DeBruce

despite DeBruce's success in keeping Self's players, Angel left for Miami because of Angel

point- DeBruce

Catman2 is DeBruce in Catman2's clothing

[husserl]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

[michigancat]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

damn, no one knows what humble means.

[Sandstone Outcropping]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

damn, no one knows what humble means.

Humble / humbled. Cannot think of a more frequently misused word / phrase (with the possible exception of "begs the question").

[Skipper44]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

I would be interested to know the other 3 coaches are with better records. My first 2 thoughts were Steve Fisher and Mark Few but they both lost than 6 in their first full season.

[TownieCat]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

I would be interested to know the other 3 coaches are with better records. My first 2 thoughts were Steve Fisher and Mark Few but they both lost than 6 in their first full season.

Bill Guthridge is one of them! K-State = Cradle of Coaches 

[ksupamplemousse]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

At the bottom of that article there's a recommended link about a person that wrote an erotic fan fiction novel featuring Rob Gronkowski, it's appropriately named "A Gronking to Remember".

[Spracne]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

damn, no one knows what humble means.

Humble / humbled. Cannot think of a more frequently misused word / phrase (with the possible exception of "begs the question").

Humble has two meanings.  It means 'not proud' and it means 'near the ground.'  What now?

[Trim]

http://mweb.cbssports.com/ncaab/eye-on-college-basketball/24949402/sfas-brad-underwood-is-proving-its-never-too-late-to-win-big

damn, no one knows what humble means.

Marcus does!

As for his role of coming off the bench after starting each of the first 46 games in his career?

"It's humbling," Foster replied. "It's something I haven't done in a long time, so it felt a little weird, but I found a little groove from it. If that's something Coach wants to do, then I feel that I can do it.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

We could reanimate jack hartman

[Emo EMAW]

To the OP, oscar Weber.

[deputy dawg]

I'm going to tuck out and say hold on any decision regarding oscar until we play 10 conference games.  If we go .500, keep oscar, if not, revert to previous (well most of them, anyway) posts.  Most of the suggestions are unrealistic or worse than oscar.

So, has oscar taken a baby step towards redeeming himself?