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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #150 on: January 07, 2015, 03:12:52 PM »
Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.

Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?

jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.

What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #151 on: January 07, 2015, 03:17:41 PM »
It's been well-documented that he is waiting for Coach K to die.  He's young, so he can wait a long time. 
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #152 on: January 07, 2015, 03:22:40 PM »
Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.

Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?

Who the hell wants to  come to Manhattan frickin Kansas!!!???   REALLY? 

jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.

What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #153 on: January 07, 2015, 03:23:05 PM »
Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.

Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?

jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.

What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.


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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #154 on: January 07, 2015, 03:23:19 PM »
Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.

Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?

jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.

What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.

The fact that Stevens had so many college opportunities (including several at the top level) that he passed up to stay at Butler makes me think he'll be plenty choosy if/when he returns to college.

However, notable College-NBA-College hires definitely make it seem like we might have a chance: Mike Montgomery to Cal, Cal to Memphis, Pitino to Louisville, Floyd to USC, Leonard Hamilton to Miami, etc. Of course, with the exception of Pitino, none of those guys were as sought after as Stevens was (except Pitino). Also, eff off.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #155 on: January 07, 2015, 03:27:04 PM »
Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.

Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?

jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.

What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.

Also, I'm going to remind you that the last time we hired a coach we hired one that had been fired from a fellow Tier 2 school like, 2 weeks prior. So YOU can get mumped if you think it's unreasonable to expect our AD to make a run at a coach who will almost definitely be the most sought-after candidate for a college job in the country the next time he's available.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #156 on: January 07, 2015, 03:35:41 PM »
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #157 on: January 07, 2015, 03:42:06 PM »
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #158 on: January 07, 2015, 03:53:59 PM »
Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.

Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?

jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.

What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.

The fact that Stevens had so many college opportunities (including several at the top level) that he passed up to stay at Butler makes me think he'll be plenty choosy if/when he returns to college.

However, notable College-NBA-College hires definitely make it seem like we might have a chance: Mike Montgomery to Cal, Cal to Memphis, Pitino to Louisville, Floyd to USC, Leonard Hamilton to Miami, etc. Of course, with the exception of Pitino, none of those guys were as sought after as Stevens was (except Pitino). Also, eff off.

I think guys like Stevens, Smart, and Marshall haven't left because the tier 1 jobs haven't came calling. They have tier 2 jobs with amazing security already. Why go from Wichita State to Maryland when the money is similar but you have to start over, not have as much security, but will have the weight of the world in expectations? I'm listening to a podcast right now that's talking about how a tier 1 job, UCLA, could have had Marshall but they didn't want to wait for him to complete his final 4 run. It is just so rare for one of these jobs to open, it's why Stevens is being linked to Indiana but they don't even have an opening. BTW if that opening happens this year, Stevens isn't leaving Boston, even for Indiana.

Your example of NBA coaches leaving the NBA for tier 2 jobs can be extrapolated to like forever, and thank you for recognizing that Louisiville isn't a tier 1 job, and certainly wasn't even close when Pitino took that job. The example can also be extrapolated to the NFL, no NFL loser falls into a top college job, not even Steve Spurrier.

Also my rant wasn't directed at you per se. The tone of Bones' post particularly set me off. There are K-State fans that think good coaches see the name and just laugh and say, no rough ridin' chance. I'm sure you're well aware that K-State is like many many many college jobs and there aren't too many that are flat out better on their face.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #159 on: January 07, 2015, 03:58:56 PM »
the quality of the job has a great deal to do with the actual specific job being offered.  it isn't a static quality based just on the school, location, etc.


there was an interesting article about buzz williams leaving marquette that talked about the importance of the contract offered.  i'll see if i can link it.
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #161 on: January 07, 2015, 05:19:09 PM »
If MIR wants to put KSU into tier 2 then there are more than 30 or 40 tier 2 jobs imo.  Any P5 school not in tier 1 is easily in tier 2 just due to the football money they are making alone, so we are at 55. 

Then you have the Georgetowns and Villanovas and Gonzagas of the world that have been good to great at basketball for decades and have a donor base to pay a good coach what he would make at all but the bluest of blue bloods.  I would say there are 10 to 15 of those.  Wichita State and Gonzaga seem to be pretty good floors for tier 2 as they are not in giant media markets like the Big East schools but have proven to find ways to pay good coaches market rate salaries. 

I think the Kstate job is right in the middle of the tier 2 with really the only advantage over other P5 schools being we care more than most football schools.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #162 on: January 07, 2015, 07:14:49 PM »
If MIR wants to put KSU into tier 2 then there are more than 30 or 40 tier 2 jobs imo.  Any P5 school not in tier 1 is easily in tier 2 just due to the football money they are making alone, so we are at 55. 

Then you have the Georgetowns and Villanovas and Gonzagas of the world that have been good to great at basketball for decades and have a donor base to pay a good coach what he would make at all but the bluest of blue bloods.  I would say there are 10 to 15 of those.  Wichita State and Gonzaga seem to be pretty good floors for tier 2 as they are not in giant media markets like the Big East schools but have proven to find ways to pay good coaches market rate salaries. 

I think the Kstate job is right in the middle of the tier 2 with really the only advantage over other P5 schools being we care more than most football schools.

Since the latest round of television contracts, I'd say your assessment is correct. Before everyone was getting big money there were a good amount of schools that had little to no tradition, terrible facilities, and frankly seemingly had no interest in improving basketball. You can make the claim that there are still a couple but there are so few that it's irrelevant.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #163 on: January 07, 2015, 08:21:43 PM »
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #164 on: January 07, 2015, 10:34:17 PM »
how fun would it be if we hired rza from the wu tang clan to be our coach?  the answer is a lot.


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« Reply #165 on: January 07, 2015, 10:34:36 PM »
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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #166 on: January 08, 2015, 04:29:39 AM »
How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #167 on: January 08, 2015, 06:31:41 AM »
Maybe Brad Stevens when he gets tired of the NBA or the Celtics get tired of him.

Then again, maybe not. Don't think we'd be on his short list.
ya think?

jk. Stevens will eventually return to college ball, but it won't be anywhere near here.

What the eff is wrong with you people and your shitty inferiority complex? We are a goddamned power 6 school with money, resources, and a historical and recent history of winning. College basketball essentially has three or four tiers of jobs and we are on the second tier of those jobs. The top tier is comprised of about 10 schools. We can absolutely pay our way into damn near any coach in America as can the other about 30-40 programs on the second tier, good power conference jobs and the best mid-major jobs. Do you really think a coach offered $2.5 million a year to coach here would go to Villanova for $2.0 million? Anywhere near here, what the eff is that? If he ever does leave the NBA it's not like those top 10 jobs are just always available. You guys and your low self-esteem can get mumped, Christ.

K-State is a good tier 2 job, but being in the shadow of a tier 1 program just down the road in a small state does not help.  The reputation of Kansas in general, being in the middle of a lost political experiment clouds how nice Manhattan and K-State really are.  We can attract coaches seeking higher salaries, but so can most other tier 2 programs.  The history of our program is a plus, but still, Currie would have to be a very good salesman to get a high level coach to come here....possible, but I leave it up to you to figure the probability of that happening.


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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #169 on: January 08, 2015, 08:43:22 AM »
How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.



and yet everyone here (except dax and I) wanted FSU in over them in the smoke your cigars expansion thread


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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #170 on: January 08, 2015, 09:05:34 AM »
How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.

I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.

And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #171 on: January 08, 2015, 09:18:17 AM »
How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.

I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.

And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.

Yeah, mix in the best AD in the country in Jurich, I'd rank it as one of the one of the top jobs in the country based on the ridiculous resources alone.

I mean, JFC, these guys roll in $26.9 a year in profit from their basketball program with the next closest school in North Carolina at $16.9 million.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #172 on: January 08, 2015, 09:19:29 AM »
How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.



and yet everyone here (except dax and I) wanted FSU in over them in the smoke your cigars expansion thread

because basketball status has nothing to do with cigars stuff

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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #173 on: January 08, 2015, 09:28:28 AM »
How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.



and yet everyone here (except dax and I) wanted FSU in over them in the smoke your cigars expansion thread

because basketball status has nothing to do with cigars stuff

right, but athletic dept status does, and theirs is elite and their football team is good too but nice try and stuff


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Re: Who should replace oscar Weber?
« Reply #174 on: January 08, 2015, 03:41:24 PM »
How in the world does one not consider Louisville a "Tier 1" job?

You're talking about the most profitable basketball program in the country, insane fan support, you play in essentially an NBA arena, multiple national titles, one within the last five years, like eleven Final 4's , historical excellence.

I had this same thought yesterday but wasn't in the mood to argue with people so I didn't post it. I even looked up stats to support my claim. They are top 8 in nearly every historical category.

And did you know Louisville has only had two head coaches since 1971? They are the Pittsburgh Steelers of college basketball.

Yeah, mix in the best AD in the country in Jurich, I'd rank it as one of the one of the top jobs in the country based on the ridiculous resources alone.

I mean, JFC, these guys roll in $26.9 a year in profit from their basketball program with the next closest school in North Carolina at $16.9 million.

http://money.cnn.com/2013/03/21/news/ncaa-basketball-dollars/

They were none of these things before Pitino. As great as Denny Crum was, and I really liked Louisville, they were very much a mid-major program. That profitable stat doesn't much when it comes to determining who is a blue blood. Marquette spends more money per player than any school in the country, what does that mean? Louisville is unquestionably a great program, they aren't a blue blood though. It's not a perfect comparison but they are similar to college football's Oregon.