not just missouri, best to avoid all cops

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Yeah, let's all take turns telling MIR that his feelings on this topic are wrong.

[MakeItRain]

He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.

[michigancat]

He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.

Obviously they're different, I didn't realize people were saying they weren't. Honestly if this didn't happen a few miles from the Chauvin trial no one would probably be giving a crap. (Which is sad)

[star seed 7]

He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.

Good grief man, sometimes you read way too much into what people post here. I didn't compare anything to Floyd or call it murder.

[star seed 7]

Anyway, I don't even disagree with your original post. I thought they learned of the warrant after he was pulled over so if there were expired tags I'll retract that part.

My biggest takeaway from the incident is further proof that regular cops shouldn't have guns.

[MakeItRain]

He was pulled over for having an air freshener hanging from his mirror and was killed because a cop thought she was going to taze him but grabbed her pistol instead.

I think there is plenty to be angry about.

Yeah there's room to be upset about both George Floyd and Daunte Wright.

If George Floyd is the standard for outrage being allowable nothing will ever change.

That is absolutely not what I said.. I'm making a request for nuance and you two seem to be like, nah. One conversation is about policing, one conversation is about murder.

Also he wasn't pulled over because of air fresheners. He had an expired registration sticker then his warrants came up. They knew he had a warrant on a weapons charge. Despite knowing this they still didn't approached his car with their weapons drawn. They told him he was being arrested he broke free of the officers then got back in his car.

This woman shouldn't be a cop, she shouldn't be charged with murder. Masking Wright and this officer the focus of what happened here is the easy way out and completely misses the larger, more relevant point.

Good grief man, sometimes you read way too much into what people post here. I didn't compare anything to Floyd or call it murder.

I wasn't the only person that saw your post as a rebuttal, not sure why you're addressing me and not the point I made. Anyway, that wasn't the objection I had to your post. You inferred that I should be angry, about it and supported that with a false narrative about the incident.

Anyway, I don't even disagree with your original post. I thought they learned of the warrant after he was pulled over so if there were expired tags I'll retract that part.

My biggest takeaway from the incident is further proof that regular cops shouldn't have guns.

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

You can find several posts for me on here calling to disarm cops, but that can't happen here without disarming the populace first.

[MakeItRain]

Also if you watch the full video, you can stop before the shooting, the officers are telling him that he has warrants when he asks why they are asking him to step out of the car.

https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2021/04/12/brooklyn-center-police-bodycam-footage-daunte-wright-shooting-vpx.cnn

[star seed 7]

I also didn't infer that you should be angry, just that there are valid reasons to be angry. There are plenty of things I choose not to care about as well!

[michigancat]

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

[Cire]

I don't think she should be charged with a crime.

The department needs to find out why 3 officers couldn't properly detain a dude with those warrants.  Not enough training?  Poor training? 

[Cire]

https://www.npr.org/2021/04/14/987228386/officer-who-shot-daunte-wright-arrested-to-be-charged-with-2nd-degree-manslaught?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social&utm_term=nprnews&utm_campaign=npr


Seems pretty reasonable

[michigancat]

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view

[catastrophe]

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view

The only time I’ve ever been pulled over was for expired registration stickers. And I am very white.

[star seed 7]

I've been pulled over millions of times and some of those times were for expired tags, and one of the expired tags times I even had a warrant, no insurance, and expired license and the cop let me go!

[michigancat]

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view

The only time I’ve ever been pulled over was for expired registration stickers. And I am very white.

It's bullshit, being forgetful and/or poor doesn't put anyone in danger.

I can actually see an argument that something hanging from the rear view impairs a field of vision and makes driving more dangerous.

[kstate4life]

I've been pulled over millions of times and some of those times were for expired tags, and one of the expired tags times I even had a warrant, no insurance, and expired license and the cop let me go!

Sounds like you should be better about renewing your tags.

[star seed 7]

I'm a lot less poor and irresponsible in my advanced age.

[DQ12]

i got pulled over twice in the same day for expired registration 

[kim carnes]

Expired registrations probably account for like 20% of traffic stops

[MakeItRain]

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

He resisted and tried to take off when they had guns. How does that turn out if they don't have them?

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view

Why have laws at all?

I don't think that this is a good argument for that either. He had a warrant for being charged with carrying an unlicensed hand gun. Do we want cops interacting with guns and they don't have one? What's the solution, to not arrest him but let him go until a cop with a gun can? In the meantime you hope this person doesn't commit a gun crime?

Yeah that sounds fine. In this case there were at least three officers there, they could have just slow played it until the backup gun cop arrived.

Also, expired registration is as much of a bullshit reason to pull someone over as an air freshener hanging from the rear view

The only time I’ve ever been pulled over was for expired registration stickers. And I am very white.

It's bullshit, being forgetful and/or poor doesn't put anyone in danger.

I can actually see an argument that something hanging from the rear view impairs a field of vision and makes driving more dangerous.

He didn't forget, come on man. I'd bet any amount of money that Minnesota, like every other state in America has an enforcement date well beyond the expiration date. Do you think Wright was responsible for any of the actions that led to his being shot?

[MakeItRain]

I don't think she should be charged with a crime.

The department needs to find out why 3 officers couldn't properly detain a dude with those warrants.  Not enough training?  Poor training?

She should have absolutely been charged with something. Is she guilty of second degree manslaughter, dunno what that burden entails. Cops can't be allowed to make those mistakes without repercussion. Unions won't allow them to hold themselves accountable so the law needs to.

[MakeItRain]

BTW according to the New York Times, George Floyd's girlfriend taught Daunte Wright in high school.

[Cire]

I don't think she should be charged with a crime.

The department needs to find out why 3 officers couldn't properly detain a dude with those warrants.  Not enough training?  Poor training?

She should have absolutely been charged with something. Is she guilty of second degree manslaughter, dunno what that burden entails. Cops can't be allowed to make those mistakes without repercussion. Unions won't allow them to hold themselves accountable so the law needs to.

The second degree manslaughter charge fits

1) by the person's culpable negligence whereby the person creates an unreasonable risk, and consciously takes chances of causing death or great bodily harm to another;


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[LickNeckey]

yeah wtf

just because you are a cop you don't get to whoopsie murder someone

[catastrophe]

yeah wtf

just because you are a cop you don't get to whoopsie murder someone

Yeah, plus even if you believe her, you can’t throw out a blueprint for actual shitty cops to shout “I’m going to taze you” before murdering.