Author Topic: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops (Read 181226 times)

DQ12 · « **Reply #1126 on:** August 16, 2016, 09:10:03 AM »

I understand rioting -- and even sympathize with rioters sometimes -- but I also can't think of a scenario where it's not bad.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #1127 on:** August 16, 2016, 09:17:08 AM »

How are any of us "heard?" Without 1% type money all we have is a vote, and sometimes letters/emails to people who vote on our behalf. Beyond that maybe membership in special interest groups? If there's some way lil ole Emo can get Kevin Yoder to not vote like an idiot I'd love to hear it. Also please know if there isn't really a way I'm not going to burn down your business because that's always a bad thing.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1128 on:** August 16, 2016, 09:57:48 AM »

Quote from: steve dave on August 16, 2016, 07:27:41 AM

Quote from: MakeItRain on August 16, 2016, 02:54:46 AM
Quote from: sys on August 15, 2016, 08:58:30 PM
Quote from: MakeItRain on August 15, 2016, 05:46:20 PM
There is literally no reason for white males to ever feel civil disobedience is necessary to be heard.

that's not true at all.

An oversimplification, I should have added "on their own behalf."

that's also not true at all.

So you guys gonna tell me or not?

sys · « **Reply #1129 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:04:54 AM »

broadly, i think emo's post said it pretty well. as a white male, i don't feel like any level of govt gives much of a crap what i think. if i wanted to be heard, civil disobedience would amplify my voice far more than showing up at at any govt office and politely flashing my skin color and secondary sex characters.

to construct a more narrow argument, all of the abuse of police powers suffered by black males are also suffered by white males, just at lower rates. we can and should be rioting about that on our own behalf. unfortunately, we're stupid and lazy.

SdK · « **Reply #1130 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:05:17 AM »

I disobey a lot? Usually not in a civil manner though

catastrophe · « **Reply #1131 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:14:07 AM »

Yea, we all should get off our lazy asses and riot until police start treating us less violently.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #1132 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:18:22 AM »

Quote from: sys on August 16, 2016, 10:04:54 AM

to construct a more narrow argument, all of the abuse of police powers suffered by black males are also suffered by white males, just at lower rates. we can and should be rioting about that on our own behalf. unfortunately, we're stupid and lazy.

I don't think that's it. I think that, at least in my situation, "we" have more to lose. Really, it's a poverty issue more than a race issue. And it's not the have's and have nots, it's the have's and have nothing's. I suspect that the correlation between personal wealth and the likelihood of being mistreated by police is higher than the correlation between race and the rate of police mistreatment.

SdK · « **Reply #1133 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:42:40 AM »

I was once strapped into a chair in six point restraints for 4 hours. This happened because I was cussing and yelling about my phone call. It was a combo of police and corrections officers that pinned me down. 8 in total that rushed the holding cell. Anywho, 3 hours in a co came in to check on me and see if I had calmed down. I had. He said he'd give me another hour to make sure.

You don't know emotional rollercoasters until you are strapped on place in 6 ways for hours.

SdK · « **Reply #1134 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:43:32 AM »

Might be the worst experience of my life. Well aside from one.

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #1135 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:48:55 AM »

I'm not sure how this is relevant?

Rage Against the McKee · « **Reply #1136 on:** August 16, 2016, 10:58:02 AM »

The Bundy group used civil disobedience to protest BLM. (land management, not black lives matter)

sys · « **Reply #1137 on:** August 16, 2016, 11:00:37 AM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 16, 2016, 10:18:22 AM

I don't think that's it. I think that, at least in my situation, "we" have more to lose.

you're probably right. white americans also have a much weaker sense of racial identity compared to black americans (or most american minority groups). so when we see some other white male being abused we tend to think more along the lines of "wonder what that idiot did" rather than "there but the grace of god go i".

SdK · « **Reply #1138 on:** August 16, 2016, 11:09:11 AM »

Quote from: Emo EMAW on August 16, 2016, 10:48:55 AM

I'm not sure how this is relevant?

It's not. I just wanted to tell that story

8manpick · « **Reply #1139 on:** August 16, 2016, 01:31:50 PM »

Reasonable...
https://www.twitter.com/DeeconX/status/765016547353964544

Emo EMAW · « **Reply #1140 on:** August 16, 2016, 01:37:26 PM »

We really need to invest more in inner-city education.

CNS · « **Reply #1141 on:** August 16, 2016, 01:42:25 PM »

I am in the middle of the newest Waking Up Podcast with Sam Harris and Glenn Loury discussing race. It is a decent discussion so far, for anyone interested.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast

cfbandyman · « **Reply #1142 on:** August 16, 2016, 01:49:13 PM »

Quote from: CNS on August 16, 2016, 01:42:25 PM

I am in the middle of the newest Waking Up Podcast with Sam Harris and Glenn Loury discussing race. It is a decent discussion so far, for anyone interested.

https://www.samharris.org/podcast

Will start listening now.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #1143 on:** August 17, 2016, 11:47:53 AM »

Quote from: sys on August 16, 2016, 10:04:54 AM

broadly, i think emo's post said it pretty well. as a white male, i don't feel like any level of govt gives much of a crap what i think. if i wanted to be heard, civil disobedience would amplify my voice far more than showing up at at any govt office and politely flashing my skin color and secondary sex characters.

to construct a more narrow argument, all of the abuse of police powers suffered by black males are also suffered by white males, just at lower rates. we can and should be rioting about that on our own behalf. unfortunately, we're stupid and lazy.

I can't argue with any of this.