Author Topic: not just missouri, best to avoid all cops (Read 181196 times)

wetwillie · « **Reply #800 on:** March 04, 2016, 10:50:28 PM »

The state prosecutors that offered him a plea deal are maybe worse than he is, if that's possible.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #801 on:** March 05, 2016, 08:32:30 AM »

I understand that getting convictions in sexual assault cases is difficult but they had seemingly overwhelming evidence in this case. The relationship between cops and prosecutors is so mumped.

catastrophe · « **Reply #802 on:** March 05, 2016, 09:10:23 AM »

Quote from: MakeItRain on March 05, 2016, 08:32:30 AM

I understand that getting convictions in sexual assault cases is difficult but they had seemingly overwhelming evidence in this case. The relationship between cops and prosecutors is so mumped.

Especially after watching Making a Murderer, I tend to agree. They should have special prosecutors for cases involving cops. Maybe federal employees or something. At the very least the prosecutor should be from an entirely different jurisdiction.

MakeItRain · « **Reply #803 on:** March 30, 2016, 01:25:41 AM »

Unfortunately we're back and this one is bad

http://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernandez/man-killed-by-arizona-police-begged-please-dont-shoot-me

sys · « **Reply #804 on:** March 30, 2016, 01:44:29 AM »

it's good to keep posting these. people forget.

8manpick · « **Reply #805 on:** March 30, 2016, 07:44:58 AM »

My god

michigancat · « **Reply #806 on:** March 31, 2016, 06:40:14 PM »

http://archive.azcentral.com/persistent/icimages/news/Supplemental_report.pdf

^That crap is really bad

ednksu · « **Reply #807 on:** April 01, 2016, 03:26:22 AM »

I'm starting to wonder if the bigger societal issue isn't the prosecutor's office(s) on a macro level. Sure we all agree what these cops are doing is mumped, but the prosecutors aren't a check or deterrent for the "bad apples" in these departments. How do you overhauls the check on the police when they rely on the cops to make cases. Fed level independent agency of just police and AD checking? Or rather remove ADs from the process entirely and have this agency only handle cop incidents, no local/state involvement?

wetwillie · « **Reply #808 on:** April 01, 2016, 06:20:46 AM »

We could decide to elevate the status and pay of police officers to attract better candidates.

sys · « **Reply #809 on:** April 01, 2016, 11:05:47 AM »

Quote from: wetwillie on April 01, 2016, 06:20:46 AM

We could decide to elevate the status and pay of police officers to attract better candidates.

good lord, wetwillie.

michigancat · « **Reply #810 on:** April 01, 2016, 11:39:57 AM »

the way police are trained and used is probably a bigger problem.

wetwillie · « **Reply #811 on:** April 01, 2016, 12:56:50 PM »

Hard to train the knuckle draggers they scrape off the ex military trash heap for 38k a year.

sys · « **Reply #812 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:06:55 PM »

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/fresno/

https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/8657165-Excessive-force-lawsuits-against-Calif-PD-piling-up-after-landmark-settlement/

michigancat · « **Reply #813 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:24:09 PM »

Quote from: wetwillie on April 01, 2016, 12:56:50 PM

Hard to train the knuckle draggers they scrape off the ex military trash heap for 38k a year.

Regardless of whether you think they are underpaid (they still have strong unions and amazing pensions), they are a product of their environment. Like, the officer yelling at the guy in Arizona like he was a rabid dog (or worse) was simply because that is how they are trained to deal with suspects. If he was well paid (which is highly possible), he would have acted the same way.

wetwillie · « **Reply #814 on:** April 01, 2016, 01:31:52 PM »

Quote from: sys on April 01, 2016, 01:06:55 PM

http://transparentcalifornia.com/salaries/fresno/

https://www.policeone.com/officer-shootings/articles/8657165-Excessive-force-lawsuits-against-Calif-PD-piling-up-after-landmark-settlement/

Yea disregard, my hot take apparently was ice cold.

michigancat · « **Reply #815 on:** April 08, 2016, 04:59:41 PM »

http://www.sfchronicle.com/crime/article/Video-shows-San-Francisco-police-shooting-7237146.php?t=affc576ec7&cmpid=fb-premium

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #816 on:** July 06, 2016, 09:49:29 AM »

it happened again

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #817 on:** July 06, 2016, 10:11:48 AM »

It seems a lot of these targets are huge black men, carrying, and resisting arrest.

Cartierfor3 · « **Reply #818 on:** July 06, 2016, 10:59:21 AM »

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 06, 2016, 10:11:48 AM

It seems a lot of these targets are huge black men, carrying, and resisting arrest.

Didn't they already secure his gun before they moved him to to ground? I don't know all the details, I'm actually asking.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #819 on:** July 06, 2016, 11:03:19 AM »

I don't think so. Looks like they didn't see the gun until he was wrestling around with them on the ground, but i'm not 100% sure.

Here's the video: http://theadvocate.com/news/16311988-77/report-one-baton-rouge-police-officer-involved-in-fatal-shooting-of-suspect-on-north-foster-drive

ednksu · « **Reply #820 on:** July 06, 2016, 02:07:03 PM »

Quote from: Cartierfor3 on July 06, 2016, 10:59:21 AM

Quote from: WackyCat08 on July 06, 2016, 10:11:48 AM
It seems a lot of these targets are huge black men, carrying, and resisting arrest.

Didn't they already secure his gun before they moved him to to ground? I don't know all the details, I'm actually asking.

no, gun was in his pocket. In the audio you hear the gun call and later something else about the gun.

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #821 on:** July 06, 2016, 03:40:22 PM »

The cops went to that gas station knowing well in advance he had a gun. If you can watch the cell phone video and tell me with a straight face that the suspect (pinned down by two cops) deserved deadly force from point blank range instead of, say, a taser, well then I'm going to label you a horrible racist.

SkinnyBenny · « **Reply #822 on:** July 06, 2016, 03:43:02 PM »

This is really sad:
Victim's son breaks down at press conference

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #823 on:** July 06, 2016, 03:49:47 PM »

Quote from: SkinnyBenny on July 06, 2016, 03:40:22 PM

The cops went to that gas station knowing well in advance he had a gun. If you can watch the cell phone video and tell me with a straight face that the suspect (pinned down by two cops) deserved deadly force from point blank range instead of, say, a taser, well then I'm going to label you a horrible racist.

If you read it, they hit him with a taser to begin with, and he kept trying to fight them off afterwards.

420seriouscat69 · « **Reply #824 on:** July 06, 2016, 03:56:29 PM »

I wouldn't want that job in a million years. Why were they called there? So many questions? The owner of the shop seemed to like him a lot.