what is going on here
A few posters were foolish with constructing their strawman and it fell apart on them. Now they are running amok being uber cool.
A straw man is when somebody makes up a position you don't have and then attacks that position. Everyone is just attacking the stuff you type, fwiw.
yeah except I'm not advocating anything you guys are "attacking." And doing a very poor job at that. But don't bother reading posts, because than you'd know what a straw man you've created.
Well, I have no idea what you are even talking about now. So you don't think the shooting was justified, and actually agree with everyone else that it was a murder?
rough ridin' seriously? We're that rough ridin' stupid around here?
Lets try bullet points:
*Ohio statute allows for the use of deadly force to prevent harm in assaults with a deadly weapon.
*I'm believe a car can be a deadly weapon.
*I'm not sure if the cop was dragged long enough to rise to the statute's necessary level of harm
*I believe the cop acted respectfully during his verbal interaction with Dubose.
*I believe he was justified to detain Dubose to ascertain his identity.
*I also believe anyone who thinks asking for the license was unreasonable (Michigan) is a rough ridin' idiot. Dubose was indirect and acting in a suspicious manner, therefore simply providing his name was not a reasonable alternative.
*I believe it was legitimate but stupid to open the car door and to reach inside of the car.
*I believe Dubose bears a great deal of responsibility for his death because he attempted to flee a legitimate detainment and investigation. That does not remove the culpability for the cop killing him.
*The question(s) many have failed to recognize is that the cop was preforming a legal stop and investigation. Does Dubose attempting to flee and the cops fear of harm rise to the level of assault with a deadly weapon's felony provisions? Remember that the standard is harm, not fear of death. Do people feel the cop needs to be dragged "X" feet before harm is "achieved?"
*Finally, as the video shows, there was a physical confrontation, and I think the cop was too fast to pull his weapons. I do believe he, the cop, thought he was being dragged. I am personally unresolved about the shooting because it was too early, ie he should have been dragged further. I personally believe it was not murder, under the statute, at best it's voluntary manslaughter. I am glad I'm not on the jury because I'm not sure if he is guilty or innocent. The video is too poor to really tell how long he has been moved down the street before the shot. I know that Dubose actions directly led to his death, specifically turning the car on and putting it in gear.
