With Sams, we Destroy TCU

[pissclams]

I'm putting it out there.  waters crap the bed last night. what the hell were some of those throws?  SAMs (stud) was built for games like last night.  eff you Snyder for kicking him off the team

[OK_Cat]

Yep. Sams and Boykin are basically the same player except sams is better.

[star seed 7]

agree

[Functianalyst]

I figured that whomever controlled the game with their respective style would win.  It was clear that TCU dominated taking the Cats out of their game.  TCU was too fast and too athletic for K-State, which was apparent when even Tyler Lockett was looking back on the 70 yard score and kick off return called back to see if someone was coming up from behind.  I have no problem giving TCU their props.  This teams has the offensive firepower of the 2012 Oregon Ducks a defense that just creates complete chaos like the 2011 OSU team.  TCU should be undefeated right now, and nothing wrong in admitting that. 

[ELL3]

intrinsic values and heart are much more important than winning

[_33]

Waters is not a playmaker.  If it doesn't come exactly as the offense is designed we get nothing or a negative play.  You need playmakers to beat good teams, guys who can make something out of nothing.  Waters can't do that.

[Functianalyst]

intrinsic values and heart are much more important than winning

I agree.  The Wildcats are a good team, with a lot of heart.  Granted we should have been undefeated going into that game, but no need to pretend Sams would have made a difference.  The Wildcats need to focus on how to counter the speed and athleticism of opponents by controlling the tempo of games.  We will see that again at the end of the season.  For now, we still have a conference championship to contend for.

[pissclams]

Waters is not a playmaker.  If it doesn't come exactly as the offense is designed we get nothing or a negative play.  You need playmakers to beat good teams, guys who can make something out of nothing.  Waters can't do that.

he's a complete pussy
currie should shutdown bill's walk on pipeline too, it's stupid and I'm sick of it

[_33]

intrinsic values and heart are much more important than winning

I agree.  The Wildcats are a good team, with a lot of heart.  Granted we should have been undefeated going into that game, but no need to pretend Sams would have made a difference.  The Wildcats need to focus on how to counter the speed and athleticism of opponents by controlling the tempo of games.  We will see that again at the end of the season.  For now, we still have a conference championship to contend for.

Hey shut up idiot, did you not see my "playmaker" comment?  It's brilliant.

[ChiComCat]

I want a gif of Waters fumbling and, instead of recovering it, pulling his hand away to avoid being hit.  It was such a bitch move.

[pissclams]

I want a gif of Waters fumbling and, instead of recovering it, pulling his hand away to avoid being hit.  It was such a bitch move.

no heart
any chance bill benches him versus WVU?

[Functianalyst]

intrinsic values and heart are much more important than winning

I agree.  The Wildcats are a good team, with a lot of heart.  Granted we should have been undefeated going into that game, but no need to pretend Sams would have made a difference.  The Wildcats need to focus on how to counter the speed and athleticism of opponents by controlling the tempo of games.  We will see that again at the end of the season.  For now, we still have a conference championship to contend for.

Hey shut up idiot, did you not see my "playmaker" comment.  It's brilliant.

Only an idiot would try to make it about 1 player.  Guess what Waters was not on the defense having to chase down 2 running backs that ran for over 100 yards each or WRs falling on their butt then getting up and still making the catch.  So much for your brilliance.

[kim carnes]

I want a gif of Waters fumbling and, instead of recovering it, pulling his hand away to avoid being hit.  It was such a bitch move.

no heart
any chance bill benches him versus WVU?

Quit being a sarcastic jerk clams

[Rage Against the McKee]

intrinsic values and heart are much more important than winning

I agree.  The Wildcats are a good team, with a lot of heart.  Granted we should have been undefeated going into that game, but no need to pretend Sams would have made a difference.  The Wildcats need to focus on how to counter the speed and athleticism of opponents by controlling the tempo of games.  We will see that again at the end of the season.  For now, we still have a conference championship to contend for.

Hey shut up idiot, did you not see my "playmaker" comment.  It's brilliant.

Only an idiot would try to make it about 1 player.  Guess what Waters was not on the defense having to chase down 2 running backs that ran for over 100 yards each or WRs falling on their butt then getting up and still making the catch.  So much for your brilliance.

He was on the offense that kept going 3 and out, giving the defense short fields.

[Dugout DickStone]

 

intrinsic values and heart are much more important than winning

I agree.  The Wildcats are a good team, with a lot of heart.  Granted we should have been undefeated going into that game, but no need to pretend Sams would have made a difference.  The Wildcats need to focus on how to counter the speed and athleticism of opponents by controlling the tempo of games.  We will see that again at the end of the season.  For now, we still have a conference championship to contend for.

Hey shut up idiot, did you not see my "playmaker" comment.  It's brilliant.

Only an idiot would try to make it about 1 player.  Guess what Waters was not on the defense having to chase down 2 running backs that ran for over 100 yards each or WRs falling on their butt then getting up and still making the catch.  So much for your brilliance.

He was on the offense that kept going 3 and out, giving the defense short fields.

And leaving them exhausted as he chewed his fingernails on the sideline

[_33]

intrinsic values and heart are much more important than winning

I agree.  The Wildcats are a good team, with a lot of heart.  Granted we should have been undefeated going into that game, but no need to pretend Sams would have made a difference.  The Wildcats need to focus on how to counter the speed and athleticism of opponents by controlling the tempo of games.  We will see that again at the end of the season.  For now, we still have a conference championship to contend for.

Hey shut up idiot, did you not see my "playmaker" comment.  It's brilliant.

Only an idiot would try to make it about 1 player.  Guess what Waters was not on the defense having to chase down 2 running backs that ran for over 100 yards each or WRs falling on their butt then getting up and still making the catch.  So much for your brilliance.

Of course I can blame Jake for everything.  He's the quarterback, which is the most important position in all of sport, and also it fits nicely with my agenda.

[joda]

I don't know that we'd beat the with Sams, but by now it's brutally obvious this entire team is built for a true dual-threat QB, not a pro-style that is an ok runner.

[Functianalyst]

I don't know that we'd beat the with Sams, but by now it's brutally obvious this entire team is built for a true dual-threat QB, not a pro-style that is an ok runner.

I agree and it was clear even last year that Waters was far slower than Sams.  But in Stillwater last year, OSU merely crowded the box to force Sams to throw or waited for him to make a costly mistake. 

There are developed dual threat QBs like Boykin and the kids from Auburn and Oregon and then there are so-called QBs such as Waters, Petty etc that have a better arm and than legs or the those like Sams and Walsh at OSU who have better legs, but no couldn't consistently hit the side of a barn.  Either way Sams would have been forced to beat TCU in the air which would have resulted in 3 and outs as well or worse him creating turnovers as he did last year.  Either way, the defense has to contend with the mess and get worn out.  This is less about Waters and more about how the team as a whole handle teams such as Oregon, TCU and Baylor. 

[pissclams]

this team needs to find our Steve DeBerg, that guy was a master of the play action

[Dugout DickStone]

this team needs to find our Steve DeBerg, that guy was a master of the play action

Tough as nails too

[Panjandrum]

This is what 2003 would have looked like if we ended up giving the job to Dunn over Roberson.

I know a lot of people thought the Sams/Waters, Roberson/Dunn comparison was lazy, but Waters and Dunn were so much alike, and Sams and Ell looked a lot alike as RS-SO.  I do wonder what would have happened if we would have invested in Sams like we did Ell, but I guess I'm more upset that we pushed for Waters over Marshall.  There is a very clear pattern to our QB recruiting, and Waters was such an outlier.

Anyway, I blame Del.  This feels like something I should blame on him.

[kim carnes]

Del/dimel are openly racist

[Mixed-Nutz]

This is what 2003 would have looked like if we ended up giving the job to Dunn over Roberson.

I know a lot of people thought the Sams/Waters, Roberson/Dunn comparison was lazy, but Waters and Dunn were so much alike, and Sams and Ell looked a lot alike as RS-SO.  I do wonder what would have happened if we would have invested in Sams like we did Ell, but I guess I'm more upset that we pushed for Waters over Marshall.  There is a very clear pattern to our QB recruiting, and Waters was such an outlier.

Anyway, I blame Del.  This feels like something I should blame on him.

Waters/Marshall situation flat out sucks, the dirt I heard on Sam's is his body is just not durable enough. I tend to agree with this.   

[8manpick]

This is what 2003 would have looked like if we ended up giving the job to Dunn over Roberson.

I know a lot of people thought the Sams/Waters, Roberson/Dunn comparison was lazy, but Waters and Dunn were so much alike, and Sams and Ell looked a lot alike as RS-SO.  I do wonder what would have happened if we would have invested in Sams like we did Ell, but I guess I'm more upset that we pushed for Waters over Marshall.  There is a very clear pattern to our QB recruiting, and Waters was such an outlier.

Anyway, I blame Del.  This feels like something I should blame on him.

Waters/Marshall situation flat out sucks, the dirt I heard on Sam's is his body is just not durable enough. I tend to agree with this.   

More or less durable than Waters (who is currently injured)?

[Mixed-Nutz]

This is what 2003 would have looked like if we ended up giving the job to Dunn over Roberson.

I know a lot of people thought the Sams/Waters, Roberson/Dunn comparison was lazy, but Waters and Dunn were so much alike, and Sams and Ell looked a lot alike as RS-SO.  I do wonder what would have happened if we would have invested in Sams like we did Ell, but I guess I'm more upset that we pushed for Waters over Marshall.  There is a very clear pattern to our QB recruiting, and Waters was such an outlier.

Anyway, I blame Del.  This feels like something I should blame on him.

Waters/Marshall situation flat out sucks, the dirt I heard on Sam's is his body is just not durable enough. I tend to agree with this.   

More or less durable than Waters (who is currently injured)?

Less, like getting through 4 games for Sams is really hard.