post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016

[wetwillie]

Turns out the percentage of filers paying at or below 10% effective tax rates was closer to 80% In 2010.  http://taxfoundation.org/blog/least-90-percent-americans-have-lower-income-tax-rate-romney

Imagine the huge increase in revenue a 10% flat tax would bring.

Wait you want the federal government to grow in size?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Turns out the percentage of filers paying at or below 10% effective tax rates was closer to 80% In 2010.  http://taxfoundation.org/blog/least-90-percent-americans-have-lower-income-tax-rate-romney

Imagine the huge increase in revenue a 10% flat tax would bring.

Wait you want the federal government to grow in size?

No, but if we can't shrink it then I'd rather balance the budget on the backs of the freeloaders.

[john "teach me how to" dougie]

Turns out the percentage of filers paying at or below 10% effective tax rates was closer to 80% In 2010.  http://taxfoundation.org/blog/least-90-percent-americans-have-lower-income-tax-rate-romney

Imagine the huge increase in revenue a 10% flat tax would bring.

Wait you want the federal government to grow in size?

Dumb question. We're $20 trillion dollars in debt.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Turns out the percentage of filers paying at or below 10% effective tax rates was closer to 80% In 2010.  http://taxfoundation.org/blog/least-90-percent-americans-have-lower-income-tax-rate-romney

Imagine the huge increase in revenue a 10% flat tax would bring.

Wait you want the federal government to grow in size?

Dumb question. We're $20 trillion dollars in debt.

Yeah. Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Obama have created a whole lot of debt.

[star seed 7]

Man, Reagan gave absolutely no fucks about debt #fiscaldiety

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Turns out the percentage of filers paying at or below 10% effective tax rates was closer to 80% In 2010.  http://taxfoundation.org/blog/least-90-percent-americans-have-lower-income-tax-rate-romney

Imagine the huge increase in revenue a 10% flat tax would bring.

Wait you want the federal government to grow in size?

Dumb question. We're $20 trillion dollars in debt.

Yeah. Reagan, Bush, Bush, and Obama have created a whole lot of debt.

Why does your graph stop at 2010, and why is debt "per American"? If you don't want to look at total debt (which makes Obama look really bad), debt as a percentage of GDP would be a better metric.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The graph stops at 2010 because I pulled it from this article written in 2011. Plus, the graph I posted makes Obama look really bad. The line during is presidency is very steep.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/07/the-us-debt-owed-by-each-american-throughout-history/241366/

[wetwillie]

Turns out the percentage of filers paying at or below 10% effective tax rates was closer to 80% In 2010.  http://taxfoundation.org/blog/least-90-percent-americans-have-lower-income-tax-rate-romney

Imagine the huge increase in revenue a 10% flat tax would bring.

Wait you want the federal government to grow in size?

Dumb question. We're $20 trillion dollars in debt.

Its not a dumb question, flat tax supporters want a revenue nuetral solution.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think we should probably just start taxing the first dollars people make at 1%. That way this talking point goes away. Everyone would get a tax increase, but it would be minimal, and the US government's tax revenues would get a minor bump.

[star seed 7]

Yeah 2-3 percent for the first 15k or so sounds fair

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

The graph stops at 2010 because I pulled it from this article written in 2011. Plus, the graph I posted makes Obama look really bad. The line during is presidency is very steep.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/07/the-us-debt-owed-by-each-american-throughout-history/241366/

It's even worse if you continue out to current.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think we should probably just start taxing the first dollars people make at 1%. That way this talking point goes away. Everyone would get a tax increase, but it would be minimal, and the US government's tax revenues would get a minor bump.

Or we could just convert current tax credits to deductions.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think we should probably just start taxing the first dollars people make at 1%. That way this talking point goes away. Everyone would get a tax increase, but it would be minimal, and the US government's tax revenues would get a minor bump.

Or we could just convert current tax credits to deductions.

That's fine, too. Everyone should have some skin in the game, though.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I think we should probably just start taxing the first dollars people make at 1%. That way this talking point goes away. Everyone would get a tax increase, but it would be minimal, and the US government's tax revenues would get a minor bump.

I'd be cool with a 1% VAT if it was dedicated solely to reducing the debt and self terminating. We'd probably pay down 20 trillion dollars in less than 3 decades.  Unfortunately the obamatard and his succesors will have managed to deficit spend a new 20 trillion by then, likely by tax crediting stupid trash parasitic people out of their share of the VAT

[AbeFroman]

Man, Reagan gave absolutely no fucks about debt #fiscaldiety

Not only that but his graph looks like stairs. Like he was etch a sketching it in prostyle

[Dugout DickStone]

Is Cruz dumb?  He doesn't come off as being intelligent

[star seed 7]

Is Cruz dumb?  He doesn't come off as being intelligent

I don't think he's dumb at all, just very extreme views

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think we should probably just start taxing the first dollars people make at 1%. That way this talking point goes away. Everyone would get a tax increase, but it would be minimal, and the US government's tax revenues would get a minor bump.

I'd be cool with a 1% VAT if it was dedicated solely to reducing the debt and self terminating. We'd probably pay down 20 trillion dollars in less than 3 decades.  Unfortunately the obamatard and his succesors will have managed to deficit spend a new 20 trillion by then, likely by tax crediting stupid trash parasitic people out of their share of the VAT

Right. Pass a balanced budget amendment and slash spending and I would support a tax increase devoted to paying down debt.

[Dugout DickStone]

I think we should probably just start taxing the first dollars people make at 1%. That way this talking point goes away. Everyone would get a tax increase, but it would be minimal, and the US government's tax revenues would get a minor bump.

I'd be cool with a 1% VAT if it was dedicated solely to reducing the debt and self terminating. We'd probably pay down 20 trillion dollars in less than 3 decades.  Unfortunately the obamatard and his succesors will have managed to deficit spend a new 20 trillion by then, likely by tax crediting stupid trash parasitic people out of their share of the VAT

Right. Pass a balanced budget amendment and slash spending and I would support a tax increase devoted to paying down debt.

I'll take a unicorn while you're at it.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I think we should probably just start taxing the first dollars people make at 1%. That way this talking point goes away. Everyone would get a tax increase, but it would be minimal, and the US government's tax revenues would get a minor bump.

I'd be cool with a 1% VAT if it was dedicated solely to reducing the debt and self terminating. We'd probably pay down 20 trillion dollars in less than 3 decades.  Unfortunately the obamatard and his succesors will have managed to deficit spend a new 20 trillion by then, likely by tax crediting stupid trash parasitic people out of their share of the VAT

Right. Pass a balanced budget amendment and slash spending and I would support a tax increase devoted to paying down debt.

I'll take a unicorn while you're at it.

Me agreeing to a tax increase is pretty much unicorn. Can't we compromise?

[Rage Against the McKee]

Is Cruz dumb?  He doesn't come off as being intelligent

I don't think he's dumb at all, just very extreme views

He just dumbs himself down to appeal to his base.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

I heard clips of his announcement speech. Very hope and change-y.

Much more articulate and intelligent sounding when talking unscripted than bush or obama. 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I heard clips of his announcement speech. Very hope and change-y.

Much more articulate and intelligent sounding when talking unscripted than bush or obama.

His announcement speech was scripted.

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

I heard clips of his announcement speech. Very hope and change-y.

Much more articulate and intelligent sounding when talking unscripted than bush or obama.

His announcement speech was scripted.

You mean he prepared his speech in advance instead of just announcing his candidcay off the cuff? At least he didn't read it off a teleprompter. He's a very smart individual, and he's a true conservative. I think he lacks the polticial savvy to win nationwide office.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I heard clips of his announcement speech. Very hope and change-y.

Much more articulate and intelligent sounding when talking unscripted than bush or obama.

His announcement speech was scripted.

You mean he prepared his speech in advance instead of just announcing his candidcay off the cuff? At least he didn't read it off a teleprompter. He's a very smart individual, and he's a true conservative. I think he lacks the polticial savvy to win nationwide office.

I wasn't criticizing him.