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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #200 on: March 24, 2015, 02:37:56 PM »
Cruz wants to abolish the IRS!  Hot damn ignorant idea from a good patriot American.  Let's abolish the federal government too,  Tea partiers now are having a big politorgasim.  Reforming the tax code is a great idea, making the IRS more fair and effecient okay, but dang someone has to collect revenue to keep the fed going.  Pretty sound bites from a glib pretty boy gloryhound does not mean good presidential material.  Maybe the good old days of cigar chomping and beer gushling party bosses picking the canidate should be brought back.

You can collect taxes a lot more efficiently without income tax or the IRS...

But this sort of talk demonstrates why Cruz is not a good candidate. It whips up the base, and he's right that we should ultimately be moving towards a dramatically simplified tax code and a resulting smaller, more efficient tax collection agency, but simply saying "we need to abolish the IRS" without a more nuanced explanation sounds extreme and will not appeal to the broader electorate.

He's not right that we should ultimately be moving towards a dramatically simplified tax code and a resulting smaller, more efficient tax collection agency, because that's not what he said. He wants to abolish the IRS instead.

No, he's using shorthand hyperbole of "abolish the IRS" to mean simplifying the tax code to an extent that only a much smaller tax enforcement agency would be required.

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Despite the blunt rhetoric, [Cruz Spokewoman] Frazier said, Cruz accepts the need for enforcement.

“The senator has never contested that there would be a small department that would enforce the tax code,” she said, “but the IRS as we know it would be gone.”

http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/headlines/20130609-ted-cruz-launches-effort-to-abolish-irs-but-tax-experts-call-him-confused.ece

But as I said, this is why he's not a candidate who will have sufficient appeal to the general electorate. By engaging in this oversimplified hyperbole instead of providing greater explanation of the reforms he envisions, he allows himself to be painted as an extremist.
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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #201 on: March 24, 2015, 02:39:22 PM »
Nobody is painting Cruz as an extremist except for Cruz. Everyone else is just observing the painting.

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« Reply #202 on: March 24, 2015, 03:00:37 PM »
Nobody is painting Cruz as an extremist except for Cruz. Everyone else is just observing the painting.

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« Reply #203 on: March 24, 2015, 03:05:51 PM »
kind of want Cruz to win the nomination so we can see him either trip over himself to act centrist or piss off a looooooooot of people. it'd be super fun either way.

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« Reply #204 on: March 24, 2015, 03:12:18 PM »
I think a lot of people are underestimating Cruz.  He is going to wipe the floor with clowns like Huckabee, Perry, and Paul on a debate stage.

Bush, Rubio and Walker will have the machines together to do enough to not get annihilated, but they could each be embarrassed by Cruz.  He knows how to debate and how to give a stump speech.  He will be a thorn in the side for a while assuming he gets enough money to stay relevant.

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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #205 on: March 24, 2015, 03:13:39 PM »
Cruz wants to abolish the IRS!  Hot damn ignorant idea from a good patriot American.  Let's abolish the federal government too,  Tea partiers now are having a big politorgasim.  Reforming the tax code is a great idea, making the IRS more fair and effecient okay, but dang someone has to collect revenue to keep the fed going.  Pretty sound bites from a glib pretty boy gloryhound does not mean good presidential material.  Maybe the good old days of cigar chomping and beer gushling party bosses picking the canidate should be brought back.

You can collect taxes a lot more efficiently without income tax or the IRS...

But this sort of talk demonstrates why Cruz is not a good candidate. It whips up the base, and he's right that we should ultimately be moving towards a dramatically simplified tax code and a resulting smaller, more efficient tax collection agency, but simply saying "we need to abolish the IRS" without a more nuanced explanation sounds extreme and will not appeal to the broader electorate.

hes not just saying abolish the IRS. He is saying Abolish the IRS and put rifles in their hands and send them to mexico.

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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #206 on: March 24, 2015, 03:29:31 PM »
kind of want Cruz to win the nomination so we can see him either trip over himself to act centrist or piss off a looooooooot of people. it'd be super fun either way.

This is what happened to Obama, but the media let him get away with it until after the last election.

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« Reply #207 on: March 24, 2015, 03:33:42 PM »
A flat 10% tax on everybody would be glorious.

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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #209 on: March 24, 2015, 03:41:31 PM »
I think a lot of people are underestimating Cruz.  He is going to wipe the floor with clowns like Huckabee, Perry, and Paul on a debate stage.

Bush, Rubio and Walker will have the machines together to do enough to not get annihilated, but they could each be embarrassed by Cruz.  He knows how to debate and how to give a stump speech.  He will be a thorn in the side for a while assuming he gets enough money to stay relevant.

I agree that Cruz is very intelligent and a very good debater - perhaps the best in a crowded field. As for the other names you toss out, here's my take:
- I don't see Huckabee or Perry gaining enough traction to ever make the debate stage.
- Bush has the money to go as far as he wants, but it's hard to see him winning any of the early primaries. He has almost zero appeal outside the beltway.
- Paul, Rubio, and Walker will be formidable. Paul has the ability to cobble together the most unlikely, but perhaps broadest coalition of support. Or his candidacy could ultimately implode. I'm leaning towards the latter. It's going to be tough to unite libertarians and isolationists with the social conservatives and neocons (see seven - that's how you use the term correctly).
- Rubio is a polished candidate who will have no difficulty raising funds and he's good in a debate, but the immigration debacle remains a serious millstone.
- Walker has the best resume, but the jury's out on his stumping/debating skills.
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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #210 on: March 24, 2015, 03:45:23 PM »
A flat 10% tax on everybody would be glorious.

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Agreed. The poor should receive the greatest portion of social benefits while paying the lowest percentage of taxes. And then they should vote for whomever will keep things that way. That will work out great.
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« Reply #211 on: March 24, 2015, 03:51:36 PM »
A flat 10% tax on everybody would be glorious.

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I know that it is obscene what I paid the fed govt last year.  Like a year's worth of college at a really good school.  Did I get that value back?  I don't feel like I did. 

Does it stop me from having what I want?  Nope.  Still earned that money, though, through hard work, time, etc.   

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« Reply #212 on: March 24, 2015, 04:00:36 PM »
A flat 10% tax on everybody would be glorious.

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I still think EVERYONE should pay into the federal government, even if you get a bunch of benefits back. If you made $15k, you pay $1500 in taxes and no refund. You will still get all of your food stamps, section 8, etc, but you will still have skin in the game and really look at where and how your taxes are spent.

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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #213 on: March 24, 2015, 06:44:39 PM »
what percentage of people in the US today pay higher than a ten percent effective federal tax rate.
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« Reply #214 on: March 24, 2015, 06:52:27 PM »
what percentage of people in the US today pay higher than a ten percent effective federal tax rate.

This I think is only income tax and doesn't include FICA, but it looks like pretty much only the top 10% in income pay more than that.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-0

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« Reply #215 on: March 24, 2015, 07:25:47 PM »
you can get pretty different numbers based on what you decide is income, etc.  if i take my overall compensation + realized investment income, i think i paid somewhere between 4 and 5 % in federal income taxes for 2014.

i don't think of myself as poor.
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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #216 on: March 24, 2015, 10:15:19 PM »
what percentage of people in the US today pay higher than a ten percent effective federal tax rate.

This I think is only income tax and doesn't include FICA, but it looks like pretty much only the top 10% in income pay more than that.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-0

And the top 10% would include basically everyone who went to college and earned a useful degree? That's a lot of people.
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« Reply #217 on: March 24, 2015, 10:17:56 PM »
what percentage of people in the US today pay higher than a ten percent effective federal tax rate.

This I think is only income tax and doesn't include FICA, but it looks like pretty much only the top 10% in income pay more than that.

http://taxfoundation.org/article/summary-latest-federal-income-tax-data-0

And the top 10% would include basically everyone who went to college and earned a useful degree? That's a lot of people.
I have an engineering degree and live in the bay area and I'm not in the top 10%

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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #218 on: March 24, 2015, 10:23:33 PM »
What is the top 10%?  Asking for a friend who is on his phone.

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« Reply #219 on: March 24, 2015, 10:25:33 PM »
What is the top 10%?  Asking for a friend who is on his phone.
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« Reply #220 on: March 24, 2015, 10:26:05 PM »
Household, right?

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« Reply #221 on: March 24, 2015, 10:29:53 PM »
Jesus, click the link yourself, I'm on my phone too

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« Reply #222 on: March 24, 2015, 10:31:01 PM »
Someone is def in the top 10% of grumpy tonight.

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« Reply #223 on: March 24, 2015, 10:40:21 PM »
Someone is def in the top 10% of grumpy tonight.
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Re: post here when someone decides to run for president in 2016
« Reply #224 on: March 24, 2015, 11:04:06 PM »
More than 10% of the country pay a 10%+ effective FITR you rough ridin' troglodytes.

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