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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2014, 12:36:09 AM »
I'd take B based upon those stats.

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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2014, 08:27:37 AM »
All three QBs had similar situations:
-Big XII QBs
-Sophomores
-Primarily seen as running QBs, competing for job with QBs primarily seen as throwing QBs
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QB A was Trevone Boykin as a sophomore competing against Casey Pachchalachall, QB B was Daniel Sams as a sophomore competing against Jake Waters, and QB C was Ell Roberson competing against Marc Dunn.


If Sams had been given the job as a sophomore like Ell and Boykin, would he have grown to the same caliber of QB as Boykin this year or Ell next year? Obviously it's impossible to tell, but given that Sams's stats were comparable or better than the other two QBs at the same point in their careers, it isn't out of the question.

The fact that LHCBS and Co. gave up on Sams so that we could go to the BWW Bowl in 2013, a similar bowl in 2014, and have no QB in 2015 when we have a pretty stout defense and zero proven-stud receivers returning is absolutely mind-boggling. Sams was a comparable short-term play to Waters in 2013 (we probably finish with about the same record both last year and this year) and a way better long-term play. He could have been another Ell, maybe even a better Ell. Why wouldn't we suffer through some growing pains for that?

(This is not an anti-Waters post. It's a pro-OurGuy post.)


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Sophomore Boykin
Comp/Att: 105/176
CMP%: 59.7%
Pass Yds: 1198
YPA: 6.81
TD/INT: 7:7
Rating: 122.0
Rushing Yds: 313
Avg rush: 3.0

Sophomore #OurGuy
Comp/Att: 38/53
CMP%: 71.7%
Pass Yds: 452
YPA: 8.53
TD/INT: 4:4
Rating: 153.1
Rushing Yds: 807
Avg/rush: 5.3

Sophomore Ell
Comp/Att: 54/136
CMP%: 39.7
Pass Yds: 855
YPA: 6.3
TD/INT: 4:8
Rating: 90.5
Rushing Yds: 643
Avg/rush: 4.5

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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2014, 08:42:33 AM »
What a twist!

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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2014, 08:46:43 AM »
Probably A
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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2014, 08:49:09 AM »
Sams is not and would not have ever been as good as waters. Hubener would have beat him out next year. Let it go.
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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2014, 08:57:21 AM »
Against FCS competition Sams is completing 47% of his passes for 6.4 ypa. He splits time at QB. The delusion needs to stop.
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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2014, 09:24:04 AM »
Sams can't throw

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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2014, 11:29:11 AM »
Sams can't throw

Neither could Boykin

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« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2014, 11:41:34 AM »
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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2014, 09:41:20 PM »
Sams can't throw

Neither could Boykin

Neither could ell
Neither could Marshal.  That's probably why Auburn didn't win the MNC last year.  :D
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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2014, 10:00:18 PM »
The offensive coordinators at TCU deserve the COY. Remarkable job.

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Re: Pick a QB, any QB.
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2014, 10:26:18 PM »
Flawed premise imo.

Boykin wasn't given the job as a sophomore. Pachall's 2012 suspension forced him into action over a couple of redshirt freshmen and some other dude who transferred. Then Boykin lost his job to Pachall in 2013 until he got hurt, when Pachall came back from injury he took the job again. We all know Boykin played all over the field.

Boykin earned the starting job this season and has done well.

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Ell didn't just waltz into the starting job as a sophomore either. I would say that Waters is better than Dunn was, but he's also got better targets as well. Waters is a better runner than Dunn ever was.

When Lockett and Thompson were injured or had eye-hernias last year it was Sams getting a majority of the snaps and running all over the place like Roberson did for a lot of that season. When the targets came back Waters slowly took over.

We all saw that Roberson didn't have the 2002 spot locked up even as far as the USC game, which I believe Dunn started. Daniel never even made it that far. His value as a runner would have been increased this year at qb or wherever he was lined up. He gave WR a shot like Boykin, but decided to leave.

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I'm not saying I completely disagree with you. It's likely that Daniel could have been something really special at K-State in 2015. Hell, he would have been a huge help to this years team. But don't sit there and act like these other guys were given the keys to the kingdom and allowed to learn on the go their whole careers.

If there was a gif of nicname thwarting the attempted-flag-taker and then gesturing him to suck it, followed by motioning for all of Hilton Shelter to boo him louder, it'd be better than that auburn gif.