Shitty Schelly

[PoetWarrior]

Are you saying you know more than Snyder ?

Of everything that has been written since the creation of the world, this is nearly the most infuriating.

[EllToPay]

I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season  ?

Ankles can be very weird sometimes.


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[bucket]

I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season  ?

Couple of guys with experience have said on some acl tears you can walk around fine but won't be able to do anything " athletic ". Take it for what it's worth but in all likelihood he's done.

He would have had surgery by now if it was an ACL tear.

[MadCat]

I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season  ?

Ankles can be very weird sometimes.


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The ACL (Ankle Cankle Ligament) is a temperamental beast when agitated.  The double whammy is just icing on the pickle.

[CATILLAC]

I saw Travis Green today on campus. He didn't have a brace on or anything and wasn't walking with a limp. Obviously I'm not a doctor, but if he had a serious season ending knee injury wouldn't he have a some sort of brace on? Or walk with a limp? Maybe he returns this season  ?

Couple of guys with experience have said on some acl tears you can walk around fine but won't be able to do anything " athletic ". Take it for what it's worth but in all likelihood he's done.

He would have had surgery by now if it was an ACL tear.

Odds are even with one good leg he is still better then Shellenburg.

[MakeItRain]

Most of you should never talk about corners, like ever. I'd assume most people, myself included have no damn idea how to evaluate a corner. I keep seeing people call Burns and/or McDaniel terrible. All corners get beat, idiots. Its impossible to know how they are doing without knowing what the coverage is and what their assignments are.

[CATILLAC]

Most of you should never talk about corners, like ever. I'd assume most people, myself included have no damn idea how to evaluate a corner. I keep seeing people call Burns and/or McDaniel terrible. All corners get beat, idiots. Its impossible to know how they are doing without knowing what the coverage is and what their assignments are.

  Corners are going to get beat or at least appear that way depending on coverage, also I feel for corners the reaction time and athleticism needed for that position is incredible. That being said that's what makes having decent safeties important, I know with Snyder's bend but don't break system defenses the safeties have to be "heady" type players with decent athleticism (McGraw, 2Y's and Zimm's). My entire issue is tat Shellenburg isn't a "heady" and once fooled lacks the speed or jumping ability to recover. He needs to be the QB of the Defense and I guarantee the team feels the same way about him that the fans do. It's just pretty Maddening to watch.

P.S- Green I miss you, please heal like really fast.

[fun muffin]

fun muffin factoid:

The cats have not lost this year when Shelly has started.  The Cats have lost when Travis Green started.  Fact.

[meow meow]

a real John Lynch type

[DOD Take 2]

The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.

[Panjandrum]

The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.

We had to defend against what could be the best power run game in the conference and an All-American caliber receiver with Schelly providing help coverage on him most of the time.

We gave up yards because we wanted to do our best to not get beat deep.  The plan, as it usually is against really good offenses we play, is to make our stand when the field gets a lot shorter, and it's easier to defend.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.

We had to defend against what could be the best power run game in the conference and an All-American caliber receiver with Schelly providing help coverage on him most of the time.

We gave up yards because we wanted to do our best to not get beat deep.  The plan, as it usually is against really good offenses we play, is to make our stand when the field gets a lot shorter, and it's easier to defend.

Well, we did get beat deep.

[PIPE]

Our D as a whole sucked..

no rush from the front 4......check
corners playing 10-15 yds off the ball allowing quick stuff.....check
corners and safeties getting burned deep......check
Truman making all the tackles.....nuff said

[Mixed-Nutz]

 OU was putting great stress on our corners and safeties. They kept running play action forcing our safeties and corners to make reads and defend Shephard. I don't think our defense played bad and it was obvious who they were attacking.

[Panjandrum]

The defense as a whole played pretty like crap against OU. I don't get why we didn't play Barnett on Burns' side to help with Shepherd. Burns is just ok, but Shepherd ran circles around him. McDaniel is our best corner, but it doesn't look like we change the sides our corners are on - much like the Seahawks do. It's our extremely conservative defensive scheme that makes the corners look worse than they are. We play soft coverage off the line, and maintain outside position. That allows the receiver to get inside for slants or posts at will. We rely on LBs and Safeties to take those away. It works great for teams who will make mistakes, like Tech, but it gets torn up if we don't get pressure, and our DEs have sucked this year.

We had to defend against what could be the best power run game in the conference and an All-American caliber receiver with Schelly providing help coverage on him most of the time.

We gave up yards because we wanted to do our best to not get beat deep.  The plan, as it usually is against really good offenses we play, is to make our stand when the field gets a lot shorter, and it's easier to defend.

Well, we did get beat deep.

There was only one OU pass play for over 30 yards, and it was where Schelly bit on a PA pass and left Burns on an island against Shepard.

Otherwise, the vast majority of what OU did was underneath.  Shepard had 4-5 overall catches for over 20 yards.  Bell had one.  Quick had one.  Otherwise, we focused on shutting them down in the red zone.

OU had 8 scoring opportunities (inside our 40), and they averaged 3.75 points per opportunity.  That's exactly what our game plan was and had to be given the fact that we had to defend both Perine/Ross/Knight and Shepard.  We had to put a lot of pressure on Schelly to make the right read to defend the run or support the pass, and he obviously struggled.  But that weakness was minimized when we got them inside our 40 and let our DL and LB's had more control of what happened.

[kso_FAN]

There was only one OU pass play for over 30 yards, and it was where Schelly bit on a PA pass and left Burns on an island against Shepard.

Otherwise, the vast majority of what OU did was underneath.  Shepard had 4-5 overall catches for over 20 yards.  Bell had one.  Quick had one.  Otherwise, we focused on shutting them down in the red zone.

OU had 8 scoring opportunities (inside our 40), and they averaged 3.75 points per opportunity.  That's exactly what our game plan was and had to be given the fact that we had to defend both Perine/Ross/Knight and Shepard.  We had to put a lot of pressure on Schelly to make the right read to defend the run or support the pass, and he obviously struggled.  But that weakness was minimized when we got them inside our 40 and let our DL and LB's had more control of what happened.

Yes, OU had a bunch of yards (533) and high yards per play (6.83), but they "only" scored 30 points on 78 plays. So we held them to .38 points per play, which was their worst PPP of the season so far. It was pretty much the ideal "bend but don't break performance" from our defense.

[MixBerryCrunch]

He didn't suck at all yesterday.  He also wasn't terrible against Texas.  This might be Bill's finest turd polishing yet.

[catzacker]

Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly.  And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious.  There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off.  I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense.  To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too.  Davis is painful to watch.  Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way.  That title falls to Nate Jackson now.

[PowercatPat]

He didn't suck at all yesterday.  He also wasn't terrible against Texas.  This might be Bill's finest turd polishing yet.

Texas is 9th in the Big 12 in total offense and OSU is 7th. Swoopes and Garman are both terrible as well.



 

[MixBerryCrunch]

He didn't suck at all yesterday.  He also wasn't terrible against Texas.  This might be Bill's finest turd polishing yet.

Texas is 9th in the Big 12 in total offense and OSU is 7th. Swoopes and Garman are both terrible as well.

That doesn't matter at all. I saw Shelley get used up and down the field by SFA and Iowa State. Gundy would have destroyed that Shelley.

[catzacker]

Everyone realizes that we have all our work out in front of us, right?  we've faced 1 of the top 4 offenses in the big 12.  another way to look at it (through 10/25).....

the opp's in conf that we have faced so far, avg conf scoring = 28.0
the opp's in conf we still have yet to face, avg conf scoring = 36.3  (this includes KU, excluding KU, 43.9)

[Panjandrum]

Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly.  And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious.  There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off.  I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense.  To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too.  Davis is painful to watch.  Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way.  That title falls to Nate Jackson now.

In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.

There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.

[catzacker]

Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly.  And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious.  There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off.  I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense.  To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too.  Davis is painful to watch.  Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way.  That title falls to Nate Jackson now.

In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.

There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.

It's like OSU saw what they did on the first drive and after that said, "well, crap, that worked really well, now let's try something new" so they went to running Hill up the middle and not trying to match him up against safeties or LB's until right before the end of the half.  I  know he tweaked his ankle, so maybe that was it. 

[Panjandrum]

Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly.  And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious.  There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off.  I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense.  To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too.  Davis is painful to watch.  Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way.  That title falls to Nate Jackson now.

In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.

There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.

It's like OSU saw what they did on the first drive and after that said, "well, crap, that worked really well, now let's try something new" so they went to running Hill up the middle and not trying to match him up against safeties or LB's until right before the end of the half.  I  know he tweaked his ankle, so maybe that was it.

I think it was part injury and part the fact that, eventually, their OL was going to break like a leaky dyke, and what they were doing had a shelf life.  Eventually, we were going to adjust, and then there would be nothing that would work.

We had four sacks.  We don't get four sacks unless you really have a shitty OL.

[kso_FAN]

Shelly had a good play on the hail mary, but it was because the rest of the get fresh crew in our secondary played that ball terribly.  And Shelly's play on the opening drive (as well as Truman's) was atrocious.  There was a pass breakup that Shelly had where if it had been Travis Green, it would have been picked off.  I'll be curious to see how Shelly (and Truman) do against TCU's offense.  To be fair, Dakorey had a terrible read in coverage that should have resulted in a big OSU play, but they are so rough ridin' terrible the TE dropped the pass and he didn't get the right fits on a few plays too.  Davis is painful to watch.  Burns has gotten better as the season has gotten along, it's not automatic that if you need a 12yd slant you just throw it Burns' way.  That title falls to Nate Jackson now.

In Truman's defense, OSU schemed the first drive to basically spread us out and get Hill one on one with him.

There aren't many linebackers that can go against Hill and not look bad.

It's like OSU saw what they did on the first drive and after that said, "well, crap, that worked really well, now let's try something new" so they went to running Hill up the middle and not trying to match him up against safeties or LB's until right before the end of the half.  I  know he tweaked his ankle, so maybe that was it. 

I'm pretty sure we made some adjustments too. After the game several of our guys said they came out with some things we hadn't seen before on film and after we adjusted to that we were fine.