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Quote from: chum1 on October 08, 2014, 12:34:42 PMIt seems like it was more a case of bad intel than deception. Still, I think they had a number of reasons for wanting to invade Iraq and they just harped on that one because people - inside and outside of the US - viewed it as the most legitimate. It was a means to an end.No, it was deception. The CIA director in the fall of 2014, George Tenet, informed the Bush administration that the threat was next to none and the WMDs did not exist. From there on Cheney and Rumsfield created their own intelligence wing in the Pentagon, "the office of special plans", to wring out the information they wanted even if it was fabricated or unsubstantiated. There's a reason Colin Powell showed cartoons, and stock pics at the U.N. . http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-spy-speaks-out-21-04-2006/
It seems like it was more a case of bad intel than deception. Still, I think they had a number of reasons for wanting to invade Iraq and they just harped on that one because people - inside and outside of the US - viewed it as the most legitimate. It was a means to an end.
Also, they did find WMD in iraq, just not nearly the quality and quantity expected, and ISIS has them now.
Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 09, 2014, 11:02:54 AMAlso, they did find WMD in iraq, just not nearly the quality and quantity expected, and ISIS has them now.Wait, they found WMD and then left them there? The hell is wrong with Bush?
But you just can't get around the facts that Hillary and Joe Biden (among others) were chomping on the bit to invade Iraq. Even John Kerry before he ran for president and was suddenly against it.
Quote from: Headinjun on October 08, 2014, 11:30:19 PMQuote from: chum1 on October 08, 2014, 12:34:42 PMIt seems like it was more a case of bad intel than deception. Still, I think they had a number of reasons for wanting to invade Iraq and they just harped on that one because people - inside and outside of the US - viewed it as the most legitimate. It was a means to an end.No, it was deception. The CIA director in the fall of 2014, George Tenet, informed the Bush administration that the threat was next to none and the WMDs did not exist. From there on Cheney and Rumsfield created their own intelligence wing in the Pentagon, "the office of special plans", to wring out the information they wanted even if it was fabricated or unsubstantiated. There's a reason Colin Powell showed cartoons, and stock pics at the U.N. . http://www.salon.com/2007/09/06/bush_wmd/http://www.cbsnews.com/news/a-spy-speaks-out-21-04-2006/Either your 2014 date is wrong, or you're a complete Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Quote from: Dugout DickStone on October 09, 2014, 11:07:30 AMQuote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 09, 2014, 11:02:54 AMAlso, they did find WMD in iraq, just not nearly the quality and quantity expected, and ISIS has them now.Wait, they found WMD and then left them there? The hell is wrong with Bush?They promised the UN they'd take them apart, again. You guys realize Saddam used chemical weapons repeatedly on his people, and now so has Assad?
Quote from: Headinjun on October 09, 2014, 11:51:44 AMQuote from: sonofdaxjones on October 09, 2014, 09:20:58 AMBut you just can't get around the facts that Hillary and Joe Biden (among others) were chomping on the bit to invade Iraq. Even John Kerry before he ran for president and was suddenly against it. All three voted for the war for political reasons. The vote came up right before the 2002 mid-term and no incumbent wanted to seem weak on national security. It was one of Karl Roves brilliant, but evil moves.So you're saying that these people that most Dems absolutely love voted to send our men and women off to die strictly for political reasons?Well, at least that's better than the "they were fooled by the administration" defense that I've heard before . . . which in essence is saying that they're gullible and dumb but we love them anyway because they're Democrats.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on October 09, 2014, 09:20:58 AMBut you just can't get around the facts that Hillary and Joe Biden (among others) were chomping on the bit to invade Iraq. Even John Kerry before he ran for president and was suddenly against it. All three voted for the war for political reasons. The vote came up right before the 2002 mid-term and no incumbent wanted to seem weak on national security. It was one of Karl Roves brilliant, but evil moves.
Quote from: libliblibliblibliblib on October 09, 2014, 12:04:13 PMDax, I challenge you to dig up some Hillary or kerry love posts on this blogThis blog doesn't cover all of Prog Dem World.Plus, you know in your little heart that you both of them at some point in time.
Dax, I challenge you to dig up some Hillary or kerry love posts on this blog
Quote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 09, 2014, 11:11:55 AMQuote from: Dugout DickStone on October 09, 2014, 11:07:30 AMQuote from: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 09, 2014, 11:02:54 AMAlso, they did find WMD in iraq, just not nearly the quality and quantity expected, and ISIS has them now.Wait, they found WMD and then left them there? The hell is wrong with Bush?They promised the UN they'd take them apart, again. You guys realize Saddam used chemical weapons repeatedly on his people, and now so has Assad?The majority of those were recovered and destroyed after the 91 Gulf war.
Quote from: sonofdaxjones on October 09, 2014, 12:44:58 PMQuote from: libliblibliblibliblib on October 09, 2014, 12:04:13 PMDax, I challenge you to dig up some Hillary or kerry love posts on this blogThis blog doesn't cover all of Prog Dem World.Plus, you know in your little heart that you both of them at some point in time.I voted for Nader