Corn?

[_33]

But seriously cream corn is awful.  It just spreads out all over your plate and gets into all your other food.  More like corn soup.

[06wildcat]

I suppose there are a few small farms out there not in some sort of corporate structure. Don't know of anyone who has more than a hundred acres that doesn't at least have the land in an llc tho.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Corporate farming is illegal in like 41 states, including kansas.  If farming was a fool proof way to get rich, there'd be a bunch of hicks working at Goldman sachs and a bunch of Jewish guys farming.

[06wildcat]

Corporate farming is illegal in like 41 states, including kansas.  If farming was a fool proof way to get rich, there'd be a bunch of hicks working at Goldman sachs and a bunch of Jewish guys farming.

Corporate farming is restricted in 9 states, including Kansas. There are about 20 exemptions to corporate farms in Kansas law. Nothing in the law prohibits "family farms" from adopting corporate structures either, there's just residency requirements for agricultural corps, llcs etc.

[star seed 7]

Agites 

[slobber]

A few people with ties to Ag have a boatload of money. OH NO!!!!


Gonna win 'em all!

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think the wealthy farmers get that way by owning massive amounts of ag land and being pretty good at farming it. The returns, percentage-wise, on farming usually aren't all that great, and without the government subsidies, the risk would be very high. The subsidies minimize risk, which basically ensures success, so if you are a big farmer, you will get rich, but without them, farming would be a lot more difficult.

[CNS]

How many white cows would I have to pack on to the 20 acres, I have access to, in order to get a boat like that next year?  I am pretty close to pulling the trigger and just want to make sure I don't miss the boat.

[michigancat]

I have no problem with farmers doing OK for themselves, I have a problem with them complaining about government handouts. I also never said it was a way to get rich, just that the entire foundation of American agriculture is a giant entitlement program that continues to this day.

[EMAWican]

Jesus Christo.  What on earth.  The reason that "family" farms complain about handouts is because of sky-rocketing input costs and things that they don't have any control over.  Everyone here has complained about food costs, gas costs, beer costs, etc. or something they don't have control over. I don't agree with farmers pissing and moaning and a lot of them sure have a sense of entitlement, but if the system is in place of course everyone in their right mind will complain as their profit margins decrease.  Working class people would do the same thing if they had a paycut some years.  When's the last time any of you "non-farmers" paid a $30,000/month fuel bill or had to drop $250,000 for a piece of equipment? Or how about being -$50,000 on a circle of corn before you even see a plant grow?  Maybe $10,000 per month in equipment parts?  That $250 HVAC bill doesn't so bad.

There's one thing that you'll pick up with on a lot of farmers.  They're used to having loans, so just because they have the nicest speed boat, truck, etc. doesn't mean it's paid for. 

[michigancat]

Jesus Christo.  What on earth.  The reason that "family" farms complain about handouts is because of sky-rocketing input costs and things that they don't have any control over.  Everyone here has complained about food costs, gas costs, beer costs, etc. or something they don't have control over. I don't agree with farmers pissing and moaning and a lot of them sure have a sense of entitlement, but if the system is in place of course everyone in their right mind will complain as their profit margins decrease.  Working class people would do the same thing if they had a paycut some years.  When's the last time any of you "non-farmers" paid a $30,000/month fuel bill or had to drop $250,000 for a piece of equipment? Or how about being -$50,000 on a circle of corn before you even see a plant grow?  Maybe $10,000 per month in equipment parts?  That $250 HVAC bill doesn't so bad.

There's one thing that you'll pick up with on a lot of farmers.  They're used to having loans, so just because they have the nicest speed boat, truck, etc. doesn't mean it's paid for. 

I'm referring to farmers that complain about handouts for other people, especially poor people. It's incredibly hypocritical.

But honestly, with the government subsidizing crop insurance, it's really hard to lose money as a farmer today. Plus the reduction of the number of farms leads to larger, more efficient operations (and higher profit margins) for those that choose to remain.

[star seed 7]

There are costs related to running a business? What in the world is going on in this country?

[EMAWican]

There are costs related to running a business? What in the world is going on in this country?

They can raise the price of their good or service to offset those costs?  What is this, socialism? 

[EMAWican]

Jesus Christo.  What on earth.  The reason that "family" farms complain about handouts is because of sky-rocketing input costs and things that they don't have any control over.  Everyone here has complained about food costs, gas costs, beer costs, etc. or something they don't have control over. I don't agree with farmers pissing and moaning and a lot of them sure have a sense of entitlement, but if the system is in place of course everyone in their right mind will complain as their profit margins decrease.  Working class people would do the same thing if they had a paycut some years.  When's the last time any of you "non-farmers" paid a $30,000/month fuel bill or had to drop $250,000 for a piece of equipment? Or how about being -$50,000 on a circle of corn before you even see a plant grow?  Maybe $10,000 per month in equipment parts?  That $250 HVAC bill doesn't so bad.

There's one thing that you'll pick up with on a lot of farmers.  They're used to having loans, so just because they have the nicest speed boat, truck, etc. doesn't mean it's paid for. 

I'm referring to farmers that complain about handouts for other people, especially poor people. It's incredibly hypocritical.

But honestly, with the government subsidizing crop insurance, it's really hard to lose money as a farmer today. Plus the reduction of the number of farms leads to larger, more efficient operations (and higher profit margins) for those that choose to remain.

The same can be said for oil employees, bank workers, people who have 401ks/stocks/bonds, student loans, anyone that pays taxes, on and on.  Everyone is a hypocrite.   

Sounds like someone is just buddy buddy with a bunch of farm folks on the FaceBook. 

[michigancat]

There are costs related to running a business? What in the world is going on in this country?

They can raise the price of their good or service to offset those costs?  What is this, socialism? 

Every business is at the mercy of the commodity markets.

Jesus Christo.  What on earth.  The reason that "family" farms complain about handouts is because of sky-rocketing input costs and things that they don't have any control over.  Everyone here has complained about food costs, gas costs, beer costs, etc. or something they don't have control over. I don't agree with farmers pissing and moaning and a lot of them sure have a sense of entitlement, but if the system is in place of course everyone in their right mind will complain as their profit margins decrease.  Working class people would do the same thing if they had a paycut some years.  When's the last time any of you "non-farmers" paid a $30,000/month fuel bill or had to drop $250,000 for a piece of equipment? Or how about being -$50,000 on a circle of corn before you even see a plant grow?  Maybe $10,000 per month in equipment parts?  That $250 HVAC bill doesn't so bad.

There's one thing that you'll pick up with on a lot of farmers.  They're used to having loans, so just because they have the nicest speed boat, truck, etc. doesn't mean it's paid for. 

I'm referring to farmers that complain about handouts for other people, especially poor people. It's incredibly hypocritical.

But honestly, with the government subsidizing crop insurance, it's really hard to lose money as a farmer today. Plus the reduction of the number of farms leads to larger, more efficient operations (and higher profit margins) for those that choose to remain.

The same can be said for oil employees, bank workers, people who have 401ks/stocks/bonds, student loans, anyone that pays taxes, on and on.  Everyone is a hypocrite.   

Well, it's actually just wealthy people that complain about poor people receiving entitlements, but you're pretty much correct.

[steve dave]

Demographics soon may shape farming for the future.  With the average age of farmers being 57, in a few years there will not be many family farms left.  Young people can’t afford to go into farming even with good crop prices and subsidies.   The cost of machinery and land are out of sight.  Koch, Conagra, Tyson and others will step into the void and we will have corporate farming or people farming for them on a contract basis.  These corporations will stick it to the public good as their goal is to make as much money as they can.  We need to keep farming in private hands and figure a way to get young people back into the industry.

Except young people can def. afford to go into farming. sdbro2 graduated from KState in cow farming and then bought a shitload of land on a subsidized gov loan and bought new sprinkler systems and a used tractor and has an operating note at essentially no interest. SW ks land is cheap as crap but there are amazing programs for anyone young that wants to do it. The problem isn't that they can't afford to it's that they don't want to.

[OK_Cat]

_33 is full of crap.

Cream corn is second only to popcorn in the corn family

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Two points:

1. Everyone is subsidized in one way shape of from by the federal govt. Its largess is systemically intertwined in everything we do. The fed had been using the tax code to socially engineer behavior since there was an income tax code.

2. It's not hypocritical for farmers to complain about handouts for poors, because poors don't produce anything other than more poors.  They just get stuff for being alive. A farmer produces food and fuel and it's a really rough ridin' risky venture despite what the troglodytes on this board have been told by the Huffington post.  Crop insurance does not make it a risk free endeavor, it makes it a one bad year doesn't cost you all of your accumulated wealth endeavor.

[michigancat]

Two points:

1. Everyone is subsidized in one way shape of from by the federal govt. Its largess is systemically intertwined in everything we do. The fed had been using the tax code to socially engineer behavior since there was an income tax code.

The Homestead act was a far more lucrative subsidy than just about any other.

[michigancat]

And who do you think buys the food the farmers produce? Poor people on government assistance. I mean food stamps are a dept. of Ag program

[Emo EMAW]

Two points:

1. Everyone is subsidized in one way shape of from by the federal govt. Its largess is systemically intertwined in everything we do. The fed had been using the tax code to socially engineer behavior since there was an income tax code.

The Homestead act was a far more lucrative subsidy than just about any other.

60 percent of homesteads failed, though.  And the land was cheap, not even 2x the fed's annual budget. 

[michigancat]

Two points:

1. Everyone is subsidized in one way shape of from by the federal govt. Its largess is systemically intertwined in everything we do. The fed had been using the tax code to socially engineer behavior since there was an income tax code.

The Homestead act was a far more lucrative subsidy than just about any other.

60 percent of homesteads failed, though.  And the land was cheap, not even 2x the fed's annual budget. 

ok I guess giving away free land isn't more lucrative that goddam food stamps

[Emo EMAW]

Two points:

1. Everyone is subsidized in one way shape of from by the federal govt. Its largess is systemically intertwined in everything we do. The fed had been using the tax code to socially engineer behavior since there was an income tax code.

The Homestead act was a far more lucrative subsidy than just about any other.

60 percent of homesteads failed, though.  And the land was cheap, not even 2x the fed's annual budget. 

ok I guess giving away free land isn't more lucrative that goddam food stamps

It took hard work to turn the free land into something lucrative.  It wasn't lucrative on its own. 

[michigancat]

Two points:

1. Everyone is subsidized in one way shape of from by the federal govt. Its largess is systemically intertwined in everything we do. The fed had been using the tax code to socially engineer behavior since there was an income tax code.

The Homestead act was a far more lucrative subsidy than just about any other.

60 percent of homesteads failed, though.  And the land was cheap, not even 2x the fed's annual budget. 

ok I guess giving away free land isn't more lucrative that goddam food stamps

It took hard work to turn the free land into something lucrative.  It wasn't lucrative on its own. 

yeah that still is an incredibly lucrative government handout (that wasn't available to blacks)

[Emo EMAW]

Two points:

1. Everyone is subsidized in one way shape of from by the federal govt. Its largess is systemically intertwined in everything we do. The fed had been using the tax code to socially engineer behavior since there was an income tax code.

The Homestead act was a far more lucrative subsidy than just about any other.

60 percent of homesteads failed, though.  And the land was cheap, not even 2x the fed's annual budget. 

ok I guess giving away free land isn't more lucrative that goddam food stamps

It took hard work to turn the free land into something lucrative.  It wasn't lucrative on its own. 

yeah that still is an incredibly lucrative government handout (that wasn't available to blacks)

The blacks were able to get their Bankhead-Jones on tho!