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Corn?
« on: September 30, 2014, 06:19:05 AM »
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2014/sep/27/ogallala-water-continues-pore-farm-fields-despite-/

Is corn the issue?

On a related note, I read an article in Pheasants Forever about Iowa.  Apparently as the new farm bill floundered around in Congress and CRP contracts ran out.   Bolstered by corn prices many farmers in Iowa (and probably elsewhere) put thousands of acres of marginal land into production, which in turn impacted the pheasant population dramatically (and the loss of pheasant habitat also means the loss of habitat for many other species of wildlife). 

It's criminal IMO how corn has been given the place its been given by our government, lobbyists, ag etc. etc.  There's simply no reason why the United States shouldn't be on a screaming train towards hydrogen fuel cell vehicles and things of that ilk.   

It is also interesting to me that the Mississippi and its tributaries run through the corn belt and that the summer "dead zone" in the Gulf is growing.  While I admit I haven't done the research, but it just seems like that the Gulf dead zone growth has come since corn production has skyrocketed.



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Re: Corn?
« Reply #1 on: September 30, 2014, 06:23:16 AM »
I love it on the cob. Also I love "popped" corn.

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #2 on: September 30, 2014, 07:51:44 AM »
Corn is super played out, imo.  Grow enough for my tortillas and put the rest in some other rotation crop, or something.

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #3 on: September 30, 2014, 08:44:49 AM »
I like cream corn

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #4 on: September 30, 2014, 08:49:05 AM »
The Ogallala water has no identified use other than agriculture, so unless somebody can find a better economic use of the water, I don't really see any issue with farmers growing corn with it, especially when the prices are as outrageous as they were a year or two ago.

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #5 on: September 30, 2014, 09:07:49 AM »
Mods, please change thread title to "ethanol."

Green energy is all about making poors poorer. Who do you think bears the brunt of higher fuel and food prices the most?
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #6 on: September 30, 2014, 09:48:09 AM »
The Ogallala water has no identified use other than agriculture, so unless somebody can find a better economic use of the water, I don't really see any issue with farmers growing corn with it, especially when the prices are as outrageous as they were a year or two ago.

I don't think people are opposed to the use of the water for agriculture.  It's about how much, when, and for what. 

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #7 on: September 30, 2014, 10:05:58 AM »
they don't even water the corn here. it just grows out there. very  :sdeek: to see as a sw kansan cow farm kid.

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Re: Corn?
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #9 on: September 30, 2014, 11:26:03 AM »
they don't even water the corn here. it just grows out there. very  :sdeek: to see as a sw kansan cow farm kid.


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Re: Corn?
« Reply #10 on: September 30, 2014, 11:57:33 AM »

they don't even water the corn here. it just grows out there. very  :sdeek: to see as a sw kansan cow farm kid.


Great find. Do KS.


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Re: Corn?
« Reply #11 on: September 30, 2014, 12:52:10 PM »
Corn or blaming any other crop is not the issue.  The water usage is the issue, whether it's for farming, drinking, pumping on a golf course, or into the City pool.  Corn is the symptom, not the cause.  As a farmer you can make more money raising a failed corn crop than other typical crops (wheat, beans, milo, hay, etc.).  Corn insurance and subsidies are the highest out of all the typical Kansas crops.  Irrigated ground is completely different than the eastern/central Kansas dryland.

Each registered groundwater well has a water appropriation, or what amount of water you can pump/use per year.  This appropriation never changes and is set from the initial water right.  Your appropriation is based on the calendar year and does not carry over.  What incentive does anyone have to conserve water?  You use it or lose it.  As the water table declines, farmers have wells that could support a decent crop and make them decent profit start to struggle to support more drought tolerant crops (wheat, milo, etc.).  To be more profitable, farmers plant "irrigated" corn for insurance, use the crap out of their appropriation, and then get drought subsidies.  $$$  You can't blame them for following the system that's in place.

Use it until you lose it.  Problem solved. 
 

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #12 on: September 30, 2014, 12:56:03 PM »
So you're saying Orville Redenbacher was a nazi

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« Reply #13 on: September 30, 2014, 01:29:26 PM »
Oh, and for you young GEers out there that want to be even more :kstategrad:  go into water law because there's going to be an absolute crapton of groundwater right infringement cases in the next couple years. 

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #14 on: September 30, 2014, 09:35:28 PM »
Water law sounds fascinating  :Ugh:
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #15 on: September 30, 2014, 09:39:11 PM »
Sounds like a bunch of hayseeds mad at each other to me.

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #16 on: September 30, 2014, 10:35:19 PM »
My dad is a corn rancher (OMG lol), he called me to tell me he made a pot of gold growing corn and watering it a ton and then not selling and getting farm subsidies for it instead. THE KICKER all his corn keeps on growing and when it gets double tall he gonna harvest it and make double monies (plus the pot of gold subsidies). I was all like this story is totes boring, but thought I'd share to see what you guys think.
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #17 on: September 30, 2014, 10:36:34 PM »
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #18 on: September 30, 2014, 11:27:58 PM »
My dad is a corn rancher (OMG lol), he called me to tell me he made a pot of gold growing corn and watering it a ton and then not selling and getting farm subsidies for it instead. THE KICKER all his corn keeps on growing and when it gets double tall he gonna harvest it and make double monies (plus the pot of gold subsidies). I was all like this story is totes boring, but thought I'd share to see what you guys think.

Your dad sounds like a typical welfare recipient.

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2014, 11:33:12 PM »
My dad is a corn rancher (OMG lol), he called me to tell me he made a pot of gold growing corn and watering it a ton and then not selling and getting farm subsidies for it instead. THE KICKER all his corn keeps on growing and when it gets double tall he gonna harvest it and make double monies (plus the pot of gold subsidies). I was all like this story is totes boring, but thought I'd share to see what you guys think.

Your dad sounds like a typical welfare recipient.

What's your problem, bad person?
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #20 on: October 01, 2014, 12:04:52 PM »
Whelp, it sounds like American Agriculture is just as effed up as it was during my short stint working for the FCIC (USDA) many moons ago.   Sounds like a long term solution is a long way off.

Yep, the 2 trillion dollar industry surely wouldn't exist without the 40 billion dollars in conservation subsidies.
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #21 on: October 01, 2014, 12:28:27 PM »
Sorry,  that's 20 billion in subsidies.  About 1/3 of the identified fraud in medicare alone.  300 trillion in welfare entitlements doled out a year, and the libtards think AG subsidies are criminal.
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Re: Corn?
« Reply #22 on: October 01, 2014, 05:34:30 PM »
Demographics soon may shape farming for the future.  With the average age of farmers being 57, in a few years there will not be many family farms left.  Young people can’t afford to go into farming even with good crop prices and subsidies.   The cost of machinery and land are out of sight.  Koch, Conagra, Tyson and others will step into the void and we will have corporate farming or people farming for them on a contract basis.  These corporations will stick it to the public good as their goal is to make as much money as they can.  We need to keep farming in private hands and figure a way to get young people back into the industry.

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #23 on: October 01, 2014, 07:04:41 PM »
Seems like even fam farmers are trying to get  as much money as they can. :dunno:

I mean, if not, this may be part of the problem.

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Re: Corn?
« Reply #24 on: October 01, 2014, 07:18:30 PM »
family farming has been a giant welfare program for white people since white people got here, (and let's be honest, "family farmers" are all about making as much money as they can). so there's fewer family farms and more "corporate farms". Boo hoo, go get a real job without inheriting land the government gave to your family.