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« Reply #200 on: August 19, 2014, 10:28:43 PM »
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet. 

Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.

is wacky lying????????  :Wha:
Nah, it looks like the poor dude.  Just saying that no one has confirmed it.
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« Reply #201 on: August 19, 2014, 10:59:23 PM »
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.

They have their protocol,  it's our job to respect and understand it.
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« Reply #202 on: August 20, 2014, 05:59:30 AM »
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet. 

Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.

Not really. They said they did it in retribution for the airstrikes and will behead the other captured journalist if they don't stop. As a PR-move, it's a little heavy-handed and not very effective in the short-term, but also not totally without merit.
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« Reply #203 on: August 20, 2014, 09:09:11 AM »
ISIS beheaded an american journalist and put up a video of it.
not confirmed yet. 

Had that dude for 2 years and they do this, seems so stupid.

Not really. They said they did it in retribution for the airstrikes and will behead the other captured journalist if they don't stop. As a PR-move, it's a little heavy-handed and not very effective in the short-term, but also not totally without merit.
Whats "not really"?  Yeah I get that they did this as retribution, but it seems like an odd waste of an American hostage, but its IS, so odd is par.  Also what are your thoughts with the "not totally without merit" comment, I'm not getting all of your context, Beghdal? 
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« Reply #204 on: August 20, 2014, 12:34:25 PM »
ISIS thrives on fear-based propaganda. They had a spare American, so they used him. They're gambling that if they also go ahead and kill the second, it will sap the political will for continued US engagement in the area (for which there is some historical precedence). ISIS is arrogant and will probably bring about their own end by overreaching, but they're definitely not stupid.
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« Reply #205 on: August 20, 2014, 12:39:05 PM »
They think killing one journalist will stop the droning?  Lol

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« Reply #206 on: August 20, 2014, 12:51:37 PM »
ISIS thrives on fear-based propaganda. They had a spare American, so they used him. They're gambling that if they also go ahead and kill the second, it will sap the political will for continued US engagement in the area (for which there is some historical precedence). ISIS is arrogant and will probably bring about their own end by overreaching, but they're definitely not stupid.
Walk me through some of your precedence.  I'm thinking of murders like this I hop to Berg and the U.S. definitely went after his killer. What other examples are you thinking of?
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« Reply #207 on: August 20, 2014, 01:19:08 PM »
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.

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« Reply #208 on: August 20, 2014, 01:23:31 PM »
Glad we waited so long to start bombing them. Just "JV" after all. Dither dither dither.
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« Reply #210 on: August 20, 2014, 10:42:34 PM »
I don't think we have had very good luck overthrowing unstable regimes in the region, either. Have we?

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« Reply #211 on: August 21, 2014, 04:23:29 AM »
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.

/thread

If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.
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« Reply #212 on: August 21, 2014, 04:25:00 AM »
ISIS thrives on fear-based propaganda. They had a spare American, so they used him. They're gambling that if they also go ahead and kill the second, it will sap the political will for continued US engagement in the area (for which there is some historical precedence). ISIS is arrogant and will probably bring about their own end by overreaching, but they're definitely not stupid.
Walk me through some of your precedence.  I'm thinking of murders like this I hop to Berg and the U.S. definitely went after his killer. What other examples are you thinking of?

I'm not saying it was the right strategy, and I personally lean toward the thought that it indicates that the airstrikes have pressured them into playing some of their high value cards before they wanted to. But there's a difference between "best option" and "stupid decision."
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« Reply #213 on: August 21, 2014, 06:29:34 PM »
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.

/thread

If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.

do the kurds want to take over that area?

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« Reply #214 on: August 21, 2014, 07:57:56 PM »
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.

/thread

If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.

do the kurds want to take over that area?

Every Kurd I've ever met (fatty) loved ksu cats football, so I say we start an exchange program ala the Paraguayans and Chleans ASAP.

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« Reply #215 on: August 21, 2014, 09:42:39 PM »
At least outfit them with bbs log ins.

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« Reply #216 on: August 21, 2014, 09:46:56 PM »
This ISIS stuff will just work itself out (albeit in a very tragic fashion) and when it does that's where we should draw the borders for the three Iraqi states.

/thread

If we play our cards right backing the Kurds, we can make Marsh Arabs the new Palestinians.

do the kurds want to take over that area?

Every Kurd I've ever met (fatty) loved ksu cats football, so I say we start an exchange program ala the Paraguayans and Chleans ASAP.

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« Reply #217 on: August 22, 2014, 03:28:33 PM »
Could be a strategic miscalculation on my part, but it doesn't seem like there would have been much geopolitical risk involved with using drones, Tomahawk missiles, etc to light up IS troop convoys when they started scurrying around the desert in Iraq last month...

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« Reply #218 on: August 22, 2014, 06:40:47 PM »
Could be a strategic miscalculation on my part, but it doesn't seem like there would have been much geopolitical risk involved with using drones, Tomahawk missiles, etc to light up IS troop convoys when they started scurrying around the desert in Iraq last month...

http://www.defenseone.com/ideas/2014/08/gen-allen-destroy-islamic-state-now/92012/
You can't destroy and insurgency with air assets. 

Wow he makes some blunders in that piece.  IS is not a group of former Saddamists, for instance Al-Douri was a Ba'athist who worked with ISIS.  Ba'athists are a fairly secular group, especially when examined along the lines of theocratic based regimes in the region. The bigger group which makes really terrifying are the Chechens and other Eastern European groups which Russia fought, the Al Nursra Front and other associated regional Sunni hardliners (Salafists), and radicals from the west who have an immense amount of experience in fighting and traveling.   I do like his point about AQ and the Taliban looking rather backwards compared to IS. 

"American and allied efforts must operate against IS from Mosul in the east across its entire depth to western Syria. In that regard, “sovereignty” in the context of its airspace and territory is not something we should grant President Bashar al-Assad’s regime in Syria. Syria is a failed state neither capable of acting as a sovereign entity nor deserving the respect of one. We cannot leave IS a safe haven anywhere or a secure support platform from which to regroup or enjoy sanctuary across the now-irrelevant frontier between Syria and Iraq. " like that part. 

"The Kurds, the Sunnis and the Free Syrian resistance elements of the region are the “boots on the ground” necessary to the success of this campaign...." not right now they aren't. That would require a lot of U.S. support that I'm not sure the U.S. is willing to give. 
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« Reply #219 on: August 24, 2014, 05:01:37 PM »
What would you suggest be done, Dax?

I know not enough to make an informed decision. Choosing between Assad and ISIS seems a tough spot to be in.

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« Reply #220 on: August 24, 2014, 06:47:48 PM »
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« Reply #221 on: August 25, 2014, 08:37:51 AM »
We destroyed a crap ton of the Iraqi military on their way back from Kuwait.  All with air assets.  Should have done the same here. 


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« Reply #222 on: August 30, 2014, 03:02:45 PM »
I'll put these here...



I've said it before and I'll say it again, K-State fans could have beheaded the entire KU team at midcourt, and K-State fans would be celebrating it this morning.  They are the ISIS of Big 12 fanbases.

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« Reply #223 on: August 30, 2014, 04:23:28 PM »
wrong thead
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« Reply #224 on: September 05, 2014, 09:45:55 PM »
These bastards want terror, give 'em hell with tactical nukes --fry "em so they can find their
 ugly virgins in hell.  Tired of wussy foriegn policy.