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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #25 on: May 16, 2014, 07:30:10 AM »
Oh hey look, these two terrible posters are ruining another thread. Nothing to see here, folks.   :rolleyes:

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #26 on: May 16, 2014, 07:51:45 AM »
I heard that Sams was a mother rough ridin' siskel AND ebert in that film room.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #27 on: May 16, 2014, 07:52:58 AM »
I heard that Sams was a mother rough ridin' siskel AND ebert in that film room.

I wish. Then the staff wouldn't have been forced to give the nod to Jake.
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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #28 on: May 16, 2014, 08:02:44 AM »
For the record, I was a bigger supporter of all those QB's included in the analysis than I am of Jake. How, though, do you give ER3 a pass for throwing balls into the ground 5 yards short of open receivers while shunning Waters for missing some short throws? Some of the most frustrating plays that involved Waters last year were situations our staff put him in or when Toe Miller volleyball set a pass off his helmet straight to the other team. Now, not all of the mistakes that Waters made were the fault of someone else and neither were Sams' mistakes...but is there not room to be excited about the potential we have with Waters? His athleticism is adequate but his throwing abilities will spare us from audible-ing to speed option left/right or a skettibrain QB dive every other play. Of course he's going to rank 10th on that list when it comes to running. Let the kid come in, settled down a bit after his big boy season of football, and be a much steadier version of a good QB we saw last year.

Daniel is electric but could he last an entire season? To maximize his effectiveness, you run...A LOT. I'm not convinced Daniel could have lasted a season being used the way our staff would use him.
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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #29 on: May 16, 2014, 08:09:33 AM »
is there not room to be excited about the potential we have with Waters?

No

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #30 on: May 16, 2014, 08:10:04 AM »
For the record, I was a bigger supporter of all those QB's included in the analysis than I am of Jake. How, though, do you give ER3 a pass for throwing balls into the ground 5 yards short of open receivers while shunning Waters for missing some short throws? Some of the most frustrating plays that involved Waters last year were situations our staff put him in or when Toe Miller volleyball set a pass off his helmet straight to the other team. Now, not all of the mistakes that Waters made were the fault of someone else and neither were Sams' mistakes...but is there not room to be excited about the potential we have with Waters? His athleticism is adequate but his throwing abilities will spare us from audible-ing to speed option left/right or a skettibrain QB dive every other play. Of course he's going to rank 10th on that list when it comes to running. Let the kid come in, settled down a bit after his big boy season of football, and be a much steadier version of a good QB we saw last year.

Daniel is electric but could he last an entire season? To maximize his effectiveness, you run...A LOT. I'm not convinced Daniel could have lasted a season being used the way our staff would use him.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #31 on: May 16, 2014, 08:12:41 AM »
is there not room to be excited about the potential we have with Waters?

No

Dumb.
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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #32 on: May 16, 2014, 10:26:43 AM »
is there not room to be excited about the potential we have with Waters?

No

Dumb.

The thing that worries me about Waters is we have one real threat around him.  He can't make plays on his own and we have one legit WR for teams to worry about.  We have the worst RB sitaution in the big 12 and our 2,3, and 4th WR are guys like Sexton, Klein and Burton.  I doubt any of them run below a 4.6. 

How hard is it going to be for teams to take away Lockett when he is literally the only guy on our offense that can hurt you?  We saw in the Baylor and OSU games last year that Waters was helpless without his dynamic WR's and Sams at least gave us a chance to get something done. 

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #33 on: May 21, 2014, 10:09:06 AM »
is there not room to be excited about the potential we have with Waters?

No

Dumb.

The thing that worries me about Waters is we have one real threat around him.  He can't make plays on his own and we have one legit WR for teams to worry about.  We have the worst RB sitaution in the big 12 and our 2,3, and 4th WR are guys like Sexton, Klein and Burton.  I doubt any of them run below a 4.6. 

How hard is it going to be for teams to take away Lockett when he is literally the only guy on our offense that can hurt you?  We saw in the Baylor and OSU games last year that Waters was helpless without his dynamic WR's and Sams at least gave us a chance to get something done.

Just my opinion,  but I think you're vastly underestimating Tyler,  Jake, and the scheme doctor.

I still miss Daniel tho.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #34 on: May 21, 2014, 10:17:03 AM »
I think we're wildly underestimating how adequate of a RB could emerge from this competition. Don't fear the unknown. Further, Burton most certainly runs a 4.5 and is a great athlete with impressive size. Don't forget just how young he still is - he'll be good for us. Andre Davis, anyone? Sexton will be better than ever and he has pretty good chemistry with Jake. He's nifty and finds soft spots in zones pretty dang well.
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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #35 on: May 21, 2014, 10:43:05 AM »
I think we're wildly underestimating how adequate of a RB could emerge from this competition. Don't fear the unknown. Further, Burton most certainly runs a 4.5 and is a great athlete with impressive size. Don't forget just how young he still is - he'll be good for us. Andre Davis, anyone? Sexton will be better than ever and he has pretty good chemistry with Jake. He's nifty and finds soft spots in zones pretty dang well.

Looks like we're gonna need a little more PI on this one, guise...

bears are fast...

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #36 on: May 21, 2014, 10:46:18 AM »
I think we're wildly underestimating how adequate of a RB could emerge from this competition. Don't fear the unknown. Further, Burton most certainly runs a 4.5 and is a great athlete with impressive size. Don't forget just how young he still is - he'll be good for us. Andre Davis, anyone? Sexton will be better than ever and he has pretty good chemistry with Jake. He's nifty and finds soft spots in zones pretty dang well.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #37 on: May 21, 2014, 10:47:58 AM »
Sexton will be better than ever

WOW!

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #38 on: May 21, 2014, 10:54:00 AM »
Sexton will be better than ever

WOW!
Well, ever is pretty good, to be fair.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #39 on: May 21, 2014, 10:59:04 AM »

Uhm, guys... I'm pretty certain that bird hunting is a pretty great way to build chemistry.



So SPE just might have a point.

Just sayin'.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #40 on: May 21, 2014, 11:01:50 AM »

Uhm, guys... I'm pretty certain that bird hunting is a pretty great way to build chemistry.



So SPE just might have a point.

Just sayin'.

So that's our football team?

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« Reply #41 on: May 21, 2014, 11:04:54 AM »
So that's our football team?

At least 2 of them, but the point of my post was the unique chemistry that comes from walking miles of NE Kansas fields together while seeking pheasant and quail. :D

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #42 on: May 21, 2014, 11:42:14 AM »
I think we're wildly underestimating how adequate of a RB could emerge from this competition. Don't fear the unknown. Further, Burton most certainly runs a 4.5 and is a great athlete with impressive size. Don't forget just how young he still is - he'll be good for us. Andre Davis, anyone? Sexton will be better than ever and he has pretty good chemistry with Jake. He's nifty and finds soft spots in zones pretty dang well.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #43 on: May 21, 2014, 11:43:21 AM »
Sexton will be better than ever

WOW!
Well, ever is pretty good, to be fair.

He's definitely good enough to void the voiced concern that we have no viable options other than Lockett. Hyperbole much?
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« Reply #44 on: May 21, 2014, 11:43:48 AM »
So that's our football team?

At least 2 of them, but the point of my post was the unique chemistry that comes from walking miles of NE Kansas fields together while seeking pheasant and quail. :D

maybe they should have invited Daniel

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #45 on: May 21, 2014, 11:54:07 AM »
That picture looks pretty racist to me. I only see whitey.

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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #47 on: May 21, 2014, 03:22:26 PM »
Its pretty rough ridin' stupid to not assume that Waters is going to be at least moderately improved from last year.
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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2014, 07:00:50 PM »
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Re: Numbers Don't Lie: Comparing Sams to Historic KSU EMAW QBs
« Reply #49 on: May 21, 2014, 07:35:20 PM »
What sort of season does KSU need to have for Waters signing here to not have been a horrible point in time in EMAW football history?

Last year and this year vs. whatever we'd have done with Sams as #1 QB from January 2013 going forward through last year, this year, and his senior year.