How to fix D1 football as initiated by paked EMAWs

[MakeItRain]

I agree. College Basketball is pud to win a championship in.

Yeah, clearly, much easier as evidenced by all of the parity in college basketball.

The last 20 seasons have produced 13 different winners and 6 first time winners, and 5 teams winning multiple titles in that 20 season time frame.

In the same 20 season time frame college football has had 14 different winners, 5 first time winners, and 6 teams winning multiple championships within those 20 years.

can you site this?  the only ones i see are florida in 96 (and fsu in 93, colorado in 90 for slightly over 20 years).

93 is within the last 20 seasons, the 2014 season hasn't started. I also counted LSU and Tennessee without realizing they both won titles 60-70 years ago, oops.

[slobber]

It's about teams that are ranked lower in basketball would actually still have a chance to win whereas they wouldn't in football. You could say that the 28th best basketball team won it all thus year. Do you ever think that the 28th best football team would win it all? Parity and all that other crap has nothing to do with where teams are ranked that win it all.


Gonna win 'em all!

[MouseRat]

129 full fbs members by '15.  A handful of these programs are Indy, but let's face it ND is the only true Indy the rest can be swayed to an affiliation of some sort if the $$$ is right.  Assuming ND will remain independent and nobody drops out of the fbs what "should" happen is an east/west division separating 128 affiliate member schools into eight 16 team conference-regions with 8 team divisions within those conferences.  At seasons end conference division champs will play for dr. Pepper and the champ will receive one of the top 8 seeds in a 32 team bracket (basically the top 4 finishers from each conference will get a bid but only conference champs get top 8).  Since ND has to be different they will have a shot at a playoff bid with enough wins and can receive a top 8 bid with a healthy resume and better record than any of the conference champs.  Here's the breakdown:

EAST DIVISION
Region I
Group A) BC, UMass, UConn, Army, Cuse, Buffalo, Rutgers, Temple
Group B) PSU, Pitt, WVU, UMD, Navy, UVA, VT, ODU
Region II
Group A) ECU, NCSU, Duke, UNC, WF, Charlotte, SCar, Clemson
Group B) App St, Tenn, MTSU, Vandy, WKU, UofL, UK, Marshall
Region III
Group A) UGA, GT, GSU, UAB, Bama, Auby, Troy, So. Alabama
Group B) Ga So., FSU, UF, UCF, USF, FAU, FIU, Miami (FL)
Region IV
Group A) CMU, MSU, Mich, EMU, WMU, Purdue, Ball St, Indiana
Group B) Toledo, BGSU, Kent St, Akron, tOSU, Miami (OH), Ohio, Cincy

WEST DIVISION
Region V
Group A) UW, WSU, OSU, UO, Idaho, Boise St, Nevada, UNLV
Group B) Cal, Stan, SJSU, Fresno St, UCLA, USC, SDSU, Hawai'i
Region VI
Group A) Utah St, Utah, BYU, Wyo, CSU, CU, AF, UNM
Group B) ASU, Zona, NMSU, UTEP, TTU, UTSA, TX St, UT
Region VII
Group A) Memphis, Ole Miss, MSU, So Miss, Tulane, LSU, ULL, ULM
Group B) UNT, TCU, SMU, LT, BU, TAMU, UH, Rice
Region VIII
Group A) Minn, Wisc, NW, UNI, Ill, Iowa, ISU, Neb
Group B) KSU, KU, Mizzou, OU, OSU, Tulsa, Ark, Ark St.

*Notre Dame remains independent (A-holes!)

Since we've grown accustomed to 60+ teams featured in bowl games each year it's only logical that some of these bowls stick around as sort of a consolation for teams that had good seasons but didn't make playoffs.  This will help them to add to added affiliation revenue sharing and still gives us something to watch during the holidays.

This of course is a totally unrealistic template with an obvious socialist agenda.  There is no reality in which this could exist and therefor college football as we know it is doomed.  I realize that this was probably a complete waste of time but I have the day off and I'm bored out of my mind.  This is still better than allowing DII and DIII schools to advance to pool play and try to hang with the big boys.

[MakeItRain]

It's about teams that are ranked lower in basketball would actually still have a chance to win whereas they wouldn't in football. You could say that the 28th best basketball team won it all thus year. Do you ever think that the 28th best football team would win it all? Parity and all that other crap has nothing to do with where teams are ranked that win it all.


Gonna win 'em all!

No I wouldn't say the 28th best team won. If college football had a tournament to pick is national champion with about 20% of the participants in the sport involved in the tournament, would be about 21 teams btw, then yes it wouldn't surprise me if a team outside of the top 5% won. Especially if this team had the benefit of having the quarter final essentially at home.

[DQ12]

There's way more parity in CBB. 

[ydarg2012]

MR I love your breakdown.  I just can't even begin to imagine how you could propose that and make it work.  I like the idea of dissolving the conferences. . .but that might be a hard sell to tucks everywhere. 

[KITNfury]

Upsets are more likely in Bball, which is why there can be so many surprise deep runs. One guy on fire can literally win bball games. Upsets happen in football too, but won't happen 4 times in a row against the very best in the country.

[MouseRat]

MR I love your breakdown.  I just can't even begin to imagine how you could propose that and make it work.  I like the idea of dissolving the conferences. . .but that might be a hard sell to tucks everywhere.

Getting everyone on board would be an impossibly daunting task.  Getting the schools, ADs, conference administrators, tv networks, corporate sponsors, the NCAA, and everybody else with any oversight to agree to terms and buyout agreements would be a red tape nightmare.

[ydarg2012]

MR I love your breakdown.  I just can't even begin to imagine how you could propose that and make it work.  I like the idea of dissolving the conferences. . .but that might be a hard sell to tucks everywhere.

Getting everyone on board would be an impossibly daunting task.  Getting the schools, ADs, conference administrators, tv networks, corporate sponsors, the NCAA, and everybody else with any oversight to agree to terms and buyout agreements would be a red tape nightmare.

There would almost need to be a dramatic moment.  One where the alternative options would be much worse and the decision became easy.  Unfortunately football has so much money in it that there will always be too many people looking after their own pocket books and not what is good for the sport.

[Katpappy]

MR I love your breakdown.  I just can't even begin to imagine how you could propose that and make it work.  I like the idea of dissolving the conferences. . .but that might be a hard sell to tucks everywhere.

Getting everyone on board would be an impossibly daunting task.  Getting the schools, ADs, conference administrators, tv networks, corporate sponsors, the NCAA, and everybody else with any oversight to agree to terms and buyout agreements would be a red tape nightmare.

There would almost need to be a dramatic moment.  One where the alternative options would be much worse and the decision became easy.  Unfortunately football has so much money in it that there will always be too many people looking after their own pocket books and not what is good for the sport.

WTF!  Money is what makes all the nice things we're getting for football.  All this crap wouldn't amount to a stinking pile of crap that stinks worst than the KU football program, without money. 

[MouseRat]

MR I love your breakdown.  I just can't even begin to imagine how you could propose that and make it work.  I like the idea of dissolving the conferences. . .but that might be a hard sell to tucks everywhere.

Getting everyone on board would be an impossibly daunting task.  Getting the schools, ADs, conference administrators, tv networks, corporate sponsors, the NCAA, and everybody else with any oversight to agree to terms and buyout agreements would be a red tape nightmare.

There would almost need to be a dramatic moment.  One where the alternative options would be much worse and the decision became easy.  Unfortunately football has so much money in it that there will always be too many people looking after their own pocket books and not what is good for the sport.

Since this thread seems to be rooted almost entirely in the fantasy realm then I guess I will expound upon my previous proposal and add a few conditions that I feel would help bring some stability to cfb and solidify the integrity of the sport.

1). Continue the current 16 week schedule with Army/Navy squaring off in the final week.  Every team will play a total of 12 games in the regular season (7 within their respective group and 5 of their choosing) no more, no less.  This will ensure that each team has played the same number of games without any discrepancies.  It also allows every team to get a couple breaks in their schedule (as needed) and allows some flexibility in the event that games have to be rescheduled due to poor weather.  One further note to add to this is that TV networks can continue to operate at their normal pace.

2). This is a biggie; NO MORE FCS OPPONENTS!  Teams will no longer be able to "buy" a win (which isn't really a sure thing anymore anyways as we all know too well).  We're better off keeping our cash in our pockets by just sucking it up and playing even level competition.  So what if Savannah State doesn't get their once around the world?  This is division 1 football, not a charity.  If you can't afford a football program then don't put one on the field!  No one likes watching a game end in the third quarter out of mercy for the visiting team.

3). The first two rounds of the playoff will be hosted by the higher seed, with equal tix sold to both schools, and sponsorship goes to the highest bidder.  The next two rounds will be neutral site games with a rotation between the Orange, Rose, Fiesta, Sugar, Cotton, and Atlanta bowls.  The NCG will also be on a rotation every year between the same venues.  Bowl games will still be played intermittently between schools not selected in the playoff draft.  Bowl game selection committees will have their pick of the litter following the playoff selection.

4). Even revenue sharing will continue to be observed by all conference regions with Notre Dame being the only exception (a**holes!).

5). Team sanctions including loss of scholarships, vacating wins, and post season bans will continue to be observed for programs that violate NCAA rules.

This pretty much sums it up.  If anyone has any suggestions that they would like to add or oversees something that I might have missed then by all means. 

[Katpappy]

Know what would be more simple and twice as much fun... an 8 team playoff with the division champions from each conference; at D1 level, of course. 

[MouseRat]

Know what would be more simple and twice as much fun... an 8 team playoff with the division champions from each conference; at D1 level, of course. 

Yeah, you're right.  I think an 8 team playoff is probably where we're headed.  But you can't tell me there weren't seasons where we finished just outside the top 25 and were probably still better than a few teams ranked ahead of us.  With an expanded 32 team playoff we can put some of those "what ifs" to rest by allowing all top 25 teams a chance to compete for the Chrystal and give a few teams just outside the top 25 an opportunity to overachieve.  This would be extremely fun to watch!

[Katpappy]

Know what would be more simple and twice as much fun... an 8 team playoff with the division champions from each conference; at D1 level, of course. 

Yeah, you're right.  I think an 8 team playoff is probably where we're headed.  But you can't tell me there weren't seasons where we finished just outside the top 25 and were probably still better than a few teams ranked ahead of us.  With an expanded 32 team playoff we can put some of those "what ifs" to rest by allowing all top 25 teams a chance to compete for the Chrystal and give a few teams just outside the top 25 an opportunity to overachieve.  This would be extremely fun to watch!

But I like the idea of each conference picking it's champion for the playoff.  This along would get schools motivated to challenge for the championship in every D1 conference. 

[MouseRat]

Know what would be more simple and twice as much fun... an 8 team playoff with the division champions from each conference; at D1 level, of course. 

Yeah, you're right.  I think an 8 team playoff is probably where we're headed.  But you can't tell me there weren't seasons where we finished just outside the top 25 and were probably still better than a few teams ranked ahead of us.  With an expanded 32 team playoff we can put some of those "what ifs" to rest by allowing all top 25 teams a chance to compete for the Chrystal and give a few teams just outside the top 25 an opportunity to overachieve.  This would be extremely fun to watch!

But I like the idea of each conference picking it's champion for the playoff.  This along would get schools motivated to challenge for the championship in every D1 conference.

conferences don't pick a champion.  the champion earns their dr. pepper.



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[MakeItRain]

There's way more parity in CBB.

If you ignore all of the evidence to the contrary, yes. You are confusing more teams with parity.  I just told you that there are essentially the same 10 or so power conference schools in each sport hoarding the championships. Butler, Wichita State, and George Mason occasionally sneaking into a final four isn't parity.

[sonofdaxjones]

Yet, as we've discussed, there's mid majors etc. knocking out higher seeded power schools in the MCBBNT on a regular basis.  We've had mid majors play for national titles in the last 5 years, last year Wichita State was a play or two away from playing for a national title in basketball.   We are on the cusp of seeing a 16 knock out a 1, we've already had multiple 15's knock out a 2. 

It will develop into the same type of thing in FB, possibly right out of the gate.   Teams like Boise State proved again and again that they could play with and beat the biggest of the bigs. 

[DQ12]

There's way more parity in CBB.

Butler, Wichita State, and George Mason occasionally sneaking into a final four isn't parity.

Sure it is. 

I understand what you're saying, and you're making a good point -- it's closer than I originally would've though, but there's never been a mid major team play in a BCS title game.  Butler, BUTLER, of all schools, played for two NCs in a row a few years ago. 

Prior to last year, the same conference won 9 or 10 football titles in a row. 

My point is that Butler or WSU or Gonzaga or any other random mid major in the country has the capacity to field a very competitive basketball team.  The same can't be said for football, imo.

[star seed 7]

talking about parity and only focusing on championships is kind of ignoring what parity means.

[MakeItRain]

There's way more parity in CBB.

Butler, Wichita State, and George Mason occasionally sneaking into a final four isn't parity.

Sure it is. 

I understand what you're saying, and you're making a good point -- it's closer than I originally would've though, but there's never been a mid major team play in a BCS title game.  Butler, BUTLER, of all schools, played for two NCs in a row a few years ago. 

Prior to last year, the same conference won 9 or 10 football titles in a row. 

My point is that Butler or WSU or Gonzaga or any other random mid major in the country has the capacity to field a very competitive basketball team.  The same can't be said for football, imo.

There are far fewer mid majors in football and they aren't given the chance. Boise, Utah, Northern Illinois, and TCU were all the equivalent of mid-majors in the final four.

talking about parity and only focusing on championships is kind of ignoring what parity means.

How else would you measure parity in the context of this conversion? College basketball and college football are so different that the only thing they have in common is that they both use college athletes and both crown a champion, which even that couldn't be any more different.

[MakeItRain]

Bottom line is that it is easy to say there is much more parity in college basketball, it would seem counterintuitive to think otherwise, but I challenge anyone to produce evidence that holds this true.

[Katpappy]

Bottom line is that it is easy to say there is much more parity in college basketball, it would seem counterintuitive to think otherwise, but I challenge anyone to produce evidence that holds this true.

With only four in the playoffs, they're making sure there will be no mid-majors in this game.  The networks don't want this to happen, cause there is too much money at stake.

[MakeItRain]

Bottom line is that it is easy to say there is much more parity in college basketball, it would seem counterintuitive to think otherwise, but I challenge anyone to produce evidence that holds this true.

With only four in the playoffs, they're making sure there will be no mid-majors in this game.  The networks don't want this to happen, cause there is too much money at stake.

If they had the playoffs in place a decade ago there would have been at least 3 seasons with a non-BCS automatic in the group of 4.

[Katpappy]

Bottom line is that it is easy to say there is much more parity in college basketball, it would seem counterintuitive to think otherwise, but I challenge anyone to produce evidence that holds this true.

With only four in the playoffs, they're making sure there will be no mid-majors in this game.  The networks don't want this to happen, cause there is too much money at stake.

If they had the playoffs in place a decade ago there would have been at least 3 seasons with a non-BCS automatic in the group of 4.

Why is the world would you think that would happen.  Have you ever seen a mid-major play in the MNC?

[MouseRat]

Which is better for the sport; parity or balance?