the big 12 may have sucked.

[sys]

be nice if isu or baylor could advance.

[CNS]

Hard to tell.

[kso_FAN]

A bunch of pretty good teams. No great teams.

[MakeItRain]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

[bubbles4ksu]

ku sucked without embiid. isu sucks without niang. baylor sucks.

[sys]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

well, it's not a great indicator.  but it's a lot better than how the teams did playing 18 games against each other.

[kim carnes]

sys, i could have told you this a long time ago

[sys]

sys, i could have told you this a long time ago

i wouldn't have listened.

[420seriouscat69]

ku sucked without embiid. isu sucks without niang. baylor sucks.

Baylor does not suck.

[kim carnes]

sys, i could have told you this a long time ago

i wouldn't have listened.

yeah, well thats your mistake.  i may be controversial but i'm never wrong.

[michigancat]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

[MakeItRain]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

To an extent, of course it does. Don't be so obtuse. Does your conference recruit for you, train your players, or determine what you run?

[ksufan44]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

Does this mean Coach K can't coach anymore because he's lost his first game 2 of the last 3 years to 14 and 15 seeds? Tourney is all about matchups, getting hot at the right time of the year, or riding some stud player like Kemba.

[MakeItRain]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

Does this mean Coach K can't coach anymore because he's lost his first game 2 of the last 3 years to 14 and 15 seeds? Tourney is all about matchups, getting hot at the right time of the year, or riding some stud player like Kemba.

michigancat isn't saying that, he's taking a completely different conversation we were having about oscar last night and is intentionally misapplying it here

[michigancat]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

To an extent, of course it does. Don't be so obtuse. Does your conference recruit for you, train your players, or determine what you run?

I just don't think you can have it both ways. It's a poor indicator for both conference strength and coaching ability.

[sys]

it's a much better indicator of conference strength.

big 12 teams will play a minimum of 11 tournament games against quality competition.  that's probably about 1/2 to 1/4 as many games against tournament-level teams as were played in the non-conference season.  so, it's not insubstantial.

[kim carnes]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

To an extent, of course it does. Don't be so obtuse. Does your conference recruit for you, train your players, or determine what you run?

I just don't think you can have it both ways. It's a poor indicator for both conference strength and coaching ability.

yeah, or its a good indicator for both.

[MakeItRain]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

To an extent, of course it does. Don't be so obtuse. Does your conference recruit for you, train your players, or determine what you run?

I just don't think you can have it both ways. It's a poor indicator for both conference strength and coaching ability.

If you are equating this to our conversation you shouldn't, because I never said that oscar is a bad coach because his recent tournament record is terrible. As a matter of fact I don't think I have ever made a post that references oscar's coaching ability as bad. Good coaches get fired a lot.

[michigancat]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

To an extent, of course it does. Don't be so obtuse. Does your conference recruit for you, train your players, or determine what you run?

I just don't think you can have it both ways. It's a poor indicator for both conference strength and coaching ability.

If you are equating this to our conversation you shouldn't, because I never said that oscar is a bad coach because his recent tournament record is terrible. As a matter of fact I don't think I have ever made a post that references oscar's coaching ability as bad. Good coaches get fired a lot.

do you think it's smart to fire good coaches?

[MakeItRain]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

To an extent, of course it does. Don't be so obtuse. Does your conference recruit for you, train your players, or determine what you run?

I just don't think you can have it both ways. It's a poor indicator for both conference strength and coaching ability.

If you are equating this to our conversation you shouldn't, because I never said that oscar is a bad coach because his recent tournament record is terrible. As a matter of fact I don't think I have ever made a post that references oscar's coaching ability as bad. Good coaches get fired a lot.

do you think it's smart to fire good coaches?

Depends on the circumstance, it was smart for Illinois to do it

[michigancat]

tournament performance is no indicator of conference strength

but it's a good indicator of coaching prowess?

To an extent, of course it does. Don't be so obtuse. Does your conference recruit for you, train your players, or determine what you run?

I just don't think you can have it both ways. It's a poor indicator for both conference strength and coaching ability.

If you are equating this to our conversation you shouldn't, because I never said that oscar is a bad coach because his recent tournament record is terrible. As a matter of fact I don't think I have ever made a post that references oscar's coaching ability as bad. Good coaches get fired a lot.

do you think it's smart to fire good coaches?

Depends on the circumstance, it was smart for Illinois to do it

You could argue that oscar isn't a good coach and deserved to be fired without considering his tournament record.

[kim carnes]

This conference is woefully bad.

[MakeItRain]

You could argue that oscar isn't a good coach and deserved to be fired without considering his tournament record.

You could but that would involve us having involving elements from a conversation that we aren't currently having.

[Skipper44]

Drew, you're our only hope

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

The A-10, ACC, BE & MWC sucked worse.  Also, we were saddled with a lot of 5 - 9 seeds which would explain few S 16 finishers.