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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #900 on: March 26, 2015, 07:41:33 AM »
I think if this were terrorism in this day and age a group would've claimed it by now
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #901 on: March 26, 2015, 07:50:25 AM »
You've got to raise a red flag on the whole "pilot suicide" scenario when "suicide" means that 150 plus other people die with you.

The background of the pilot(s) must be completely investigated and I am sure they are and will do that.

I just did a refresh on Egypt 990 and was reminded of the massive cover-up by the Egyptian government that went all the way to the top.

Yeah, there should be more front ongoing psych stuff on the pilots. the problem is most airlines are operating on razor thin margins. Everyone is going to be really into extensive background checks (more extensive, they are already pretty extensive) and (the more costly part) additional ongoing psychological stuff until their airfare goes up considerably. and even then they won't catch all of them because some bozo gets divorce papers served on him the day he's flying out of town (which seems like when that would happen) you aren't going to catch that. I believe there should be some way for the locked out pilot to get back in the cabin. I can't think of a good way to accomplish that without giving some other terrorist/suicide access to the way back in if he attacks that pilot who steps out to use the toilet. toilet in the cockpit? make a stewardess sit in the cabin while the other pilot steps out? I don't know.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #902 on: March 26, 2015, 08:09:11 AM »
in the us, a stewardess is required in the cabin when one of the pilots leaves it.


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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #903 on: March 26, 2015, 08:09:59 AM »
in the us, a stewardess is required in the cabin when one of the pilots leaves it.

and another one blocks the front of the plane with the massive drink cart (I don't know if this is a requirement but they always do it)

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #904 on: March 26, 2015, 08:30:17 AM »
in the us, a stewardess is required in the cabin when one of the pilots leaves it.

and another one blocks the front of the plane with the massive drink cart (I don't know if this is a requirement but they always do it)

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #905 on: March 26, 2015, 08:47:07 AM »
the on board computer should have a trigger that actives controls to someone outside the cockpit, like the air traffic controller when a rapid descent like that happens. like some guy goes nuts and tries to run the plane into a mountain but as soon as he drops that bad boy too much and doesnt respond, the computer lets him stop controlling the plane.

im sure thats possible with technology these days.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #906 on: March 26, 2015, 08:51:26 AM »
i could not believe the captain could not get back in the cockpit, unbelievable

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #907 on: March 26, 2015, 08:51:55 AM »
i could not believe the captain could not get back in the cockpit, unbelievable

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #908 on: March 26, 2015, 11:09:00 AM »
Just have the pilots wear diapers.  Low tech solution.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #909 on: March 26, 2015, 11:56:50 AM »
autonomous airlines are on the way


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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #910 on: March 26, 2015, 01:09:10 PM »
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #911 on: March 26, 2015, 01:24:30 PM »
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #912 on: March 26, 2015, 01:25:40 PM »
This is totally mumped. Just makes me sick to think about. Lots of kids on that plane.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #913 on: March 26, 2015, 01:28:44 PM »
very mumped. what steve says is true, but the faith that the crew of my airplane wants to stay alive as much as i do is crucial to my enjoyment of the miracle of flight.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #914 on: March 26, 2015, 01:36:39 PM »
This pilot mass-murder/suicide has happened three times now in just the last 5 years. I guess making sure at least two people are always in the cockpit is a good start, but damn, there has got to be a better way to guard against this crap while still protecting against hijackings.
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #915 on: March 26, 2015, 03:43:06 PM »
I forget, didn't the EgyptAir guy slit his copilots throat?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #916 on: March 26, 2015, 04:25:11 PM »
This pilot mass-murder/suicide has happened three times now in just the last 5 years. I guess making sure at least two people are always in the cockpit is a good start, but damn, there has got to be a better way to guard against this crap while still protecting against hijackings.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #917 on: March 27, 2015, 01:51:18 AM »
Just have the pilots wear diapers.  Low tech solution.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #918 on: March 27, 2015, 11:56:24 AM »
I forget, didn't the EgyptAir guy slit his copilots throat?

I'm not sure if they ever figured that out for sure. The Egyptian government still blames it on "mechanical failure" because suicide is frowned upon in Muslim cultures. Who knew?
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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #919 on: March 27, 2015, 12:00:51 PM »
in the us, a stewardess is required in the cabin when one of the pilots leaves it.

and another one blocks the front of the plane with the massive drink cart (I don't know if this is a requirement but they always do it)

not always  :horrorsurprise:

yeah i've never seen them do it with a drink cart, but they bring up a flight attendant to be in the cockpit while one pilot takes a piss, and then another flight attendant stands there in front of the lavatory with his/her hands behind their back ready to fight any mother rough rider that tries to charge.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #920 on: March 27, 2015, 12:32:15 PM »
why not give both pilots a key to the cockpit? I guess getting locked out of the cockpit is a pretty random thing, but I mean, so are all terrorist attacks.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #921 on: March 27, 2015, 12:33:39 PM »
why not give both pilots a key to the cockpit? I guess getting locked out of the cockpit is a pretty random thing, but I mean, so are all terrorist attacks.

Because then the terrorist could attack the pilot while he is out of the cockpit and take his key?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #922 on: March 27, 2015, 12:35:47 PM »
why not give both pilots a key to the cockpit? I guess getting locked out of the cockpit is a pretty random thing, but I mean, so are all terrorist attacks.

Because then the terrorist could attack the pilot while he is out of the cockpit and take his key?

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #923 on: March 28, 2015, 04:32:45 AM »
the on board computer should have a trigger that actives controls to someone outside the cockpit, like the air traffic controller when a rapid descent like that happens. like some guy goes nuts and tries to run the plane into a mountain but as soon as he drops that bad boy too much and doesnt respond, the computer lets him stop controlling the plane.

im sure thats possible with technology these days.

Completely agree and I'd like a rational explanation as to why this isn't on the forefront of discussion.

I seriously have never understood why there hasn't been some form of a protective manual override system that can be controlled remotely in the commercial industry.  Every military drone is piloted from a remote location thousands of miles away via satellite.  The technology exists.

Once there is an event where endangerment occurs, the pilot is incapacitated, terrorism or other, there needs to be a code or panic button of some sort that alerts the control center to override the pilot.

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Re: Malaysia Airlines
« Reply #924 on: March 28, 2015, 07:48:37 AM »
If the control center could override planes they would become the ultimate target.
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