Malaysia Airlines

[steve dave]

like, sure, I've landed an A380 at MHK in flight simulator but could I really do it? only one way to find out.

[slobber]

If the cockpit door is locked, it's locked. Nobody is forcing their way in.

Has it been verified that the plane dropped 40k feet quite rapidly? Could have been defensive move by pilots, or could have been a deliberate attempt to drop under most radar coverage. But if they were flying that low for that long over land, a cell tower somewhere would have eventually picked them up. I just can't see a jet like that traveling NW through all those countries' airspace undetected. Gotta be going the other direction into the Indian Ocean, but why? Crazy pilot commits suicide has still gotta be most likely scenario.

The crazy pilot commits suicide angle doesn't work for me.  If he was merely motivated to drop this thing into the ocean, he could have just followed the scheduled flight path and downed it in the south china sea.  If this dude really plotted, planned, and programmed out a route to the west, seems like a lot of needless trouble if his end game was simply crashing into the ocean.

the fact that he was basically nuts for the 777 and had that huge simulation rig at his house makes me wonder though. could be testing out his most ridiculous maneuvers in real life on his way out.

loop-de-loops with a 777?

[Dr Rick Daris]

it may also be a different society or something and maybe suicide is very shameful or whatevs. if he would've just dumped it immediately after takeoff then the black box recorder and all other types of stuff would've been available to listen to etc. doing it this way means nobody will ever know what truly happened if it did indeed end up in the ocean.

[Emo EMAW]

Can someone explain to me the satellite data?  How does that work? 

[pissclams]

ya can we get satellite cat in here to give us a quick run down on the current state of commercial avionics ?

[K-S-U-Wildcats!]

Can someone explain to me the satellite data?  How does that work?

Plane was not subscribed to any data services, but it's equipment still sends out little "pings" that can be picked up by satellite. The pings are just the way for electronics to say "hey, I'm here if you want to talk to me". Cell phones work the same way.

In this case, there was a satellite in stationary (geosynchronous) orbit about 20k miles above the Indian Ocean. The pings from the jet evidently provide no data other than signal strength (i.e. very approximate distance from the satellite). Thus, they show that the plane was somewhere along a huge circle around the range if the satellite. You can cut some of that circle away based on how far the jet was fueled to travel, which leaves you with two big arcs - one curving NW into Asia and the other curving SW into the Indian Ocean. That's the best I understand it.

[ChiComCat]

it may also be a different society or something and maybe suicide is very shameful or whatevs. if he would've just dumped it immediately after takeoff then the black box recorder and all other types of stuff would've been available to listen to etc. doing it this way means nobody will ever know what truly happened if it did indeed end up in the ocean.

If you are worried about public perception of suicide, I would think you are more worried about being called a killer by the loved ones of the other 238 on board.  Also, I don't think the main guy would want to be known as a shitty pilot either.

[Emo EMAW]

Which is found first?  This plane or nicname's phone?

[The Big Train]

Which is found first?  This plane or nicname's phone?

Plane and it's not close.

[Gooch]

Which is found first?  This plane or nicname's phone?

Plane and it's not close.

The location of Nicname's phone is known. Recovery is a different being found.

[Emo EMAW]

Which is found first?  This plane or nicname's phone?

Plane and it's not close.

The location of Nicname's phone is known. Recovery is a different being found.

Ok jeez you don't have to tuck your pants into your socks either nerd.

[sonofdaxjones]

I say 35% chance we see this bad penny 777 sometime in the future.

[felix rex]

Either we find it...or it finds us!


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[BKCat]

Courtney Love thinks she found it: http://www.rollingstone.com/music/news/courtney-love-thinks-she-may-have-found-missing-malaysian-plane-20140317

[Kat Kid]

https://plus.google.com/app/basic/stream/z13cv1gohsmbv5jmy221vrfyiz3vdhbop04

MH370  A different point of view. Pulau Langkawi 13,000 runway.

A lot of speculation about MH370. Terrorism, hijack, meteors. I cannot believe the analysis on CNN - almost disturbing. I tend to look for a more simple explanation of this event.
 
Loaded 777 departs midnight from Kuala to Beijing. Hot night. Heavy aircraft.  About an hour out across the gulf towards Vietnam the plane goes dark meaning the transponder goes off and secondary radar tracking goes off.
 
Two days later we hear of reports that Malaysian military radar (which is a primary radar meaning the plane is being tracked by reflection rather than by transponder interrogation response) has tracked the plane on a southwesterly course back across the Malay Peninsula into the straits of Malacca.
 
When I heard this I immediately brought up Google Earth and I searched for airports in proximity to the track towards southwest.
 
The left turn is the key here. This was a very experienced senior Captain with 18,000 hours. Maybe some of the younger pilots interviewed on CNN didn't pick up on this left turn. We old pilots were always drilled to always know the closest airport of safe harbor while in cruise. Airports behind us, airports abeam us and airports ahead of us. Always in our head. Always. Because if something happens you don't want to be thinking what are you going to do - you already know what you are going to do. Instinctively when I saw that left turn with a direct heading I knew he was heading for an airport. Actually he was taking a direct route to Palau Langkawi a 13,000 foot strip with an approach over water at night with no obstacles. He did not turn back to Kuala  Lampur because he knew he had 8,000 foot ridges to cross. He knew the terrain was friendlier towards Langkawi and also a shorter distance.
 
Take a look on Google Earth at this airport. This pilot did all the right things. He was confronted by some major event onboard that made him make that immediate turn back to the closest safe airport.
For me the loss of transponders and communications makes perfect sense if a fire. There was most likely a fire or electrical fire. In the case of fire the first response if to pull all the main busses and restore circuits one by one until you have isolated the bad one.


If they pulled the busses the plane indeed would go silent. It was probably a serious event and they simply were occupied with controlling the plane and trying to fight the fire. Aviate, Navigate and lastly communicate. There are two types of fires. Electrical might not be as fast and furious and there might or might not be incapacitating smoke. However there is the possibility given the timeline that perhaps there was an overheat on one of the front landing gear tires and it blew on takeoff and started slowly burning. Yes this happens with underinflated tires. Remember heavy plane, hot night, sea level, long run takeoff. There was a well known accident in Nigeria of a DC8 that had a landing gear fire on takeoff. A tire fire once going would produce horrific incapacitating smoke. Yes, pilots have access to oxygen masks but this is a no no with fire. Most have access to a smoke hood with a filter but this will only last for a few minutes depending on the smoke level. (I used to carry one of my own in a flight bag and I still carry one in my briefcase today when I fly).
 
What I think happened is that they were overcome by smoke and the plane just continued on  the heading probably on George (autopilot) until either fuel exhaustion or fire destroyed the control surfaces and it crashed. I said four days ago you will find it along that route - looking elsewhere was pointless. 
 
This pilot, as I say, was a hero struggling with an impossible situation trying to get that plane to Langkawi. No doubt in my mind. That's the reason for the turn and direct route. A hijack would not have made that deliberate left turn with a direct heading for Langkawi. It would probably have weaved around a bit until the hijackers decided on where they were taking it.
 
Surprisingly none of the reporters , officials, other pilots interviewed have looked at this from the pilot's viewpoint. If something went wrong where would he go? Thanks to Google earth I spotted Langkawi in about 30 seconds, zoomed in and saw how long the runway was and I just instinctively knew this pilot knew this airport. He had probably flown there many times. I guess we will eventually find out when you help me spread this theory on the net and some reporters finally take a look on Google earth and put 2 and 2 together. Also a look at the age and number of cycles on those nose tires might give us a good clue too.   
 
Fire in an aircraft demands one thing - you get the machine on the ground as soon as possible. There are two well remembered experiences in my memory. The AirCanada DC9 which landed I believe in Columbus Ohio in the eighties. That pilot delayed descent and bypassed several airports.   He didn't instinctively know the closest airports. He got it on the ground eventually but lost 30 odd souls.   In the 1998 crash of Swissair DC-10 off Nova Scotia was another example of heroic pilots. They were 15 minutes out of Halifax but the fire simply  overcame them and they had to ditch in the ocean. Just ran out of time. That fire incidentally started when the aircraft was about an hour out of Kennedy. Guess what the transponders and communications were shut off as they pulled the busses.
 

Get on Google Earth and type in Pulau Langkawi  and then look at it in relation to the radar track heading. 2+2=4  That for me is the  simple explanation why it turned and headed  in that direction.

Smart pilot. Just didn't have the time.

[puniraptor]

Plausible.

[michigancat]

Plausible.

but then where is the plane? That would place it somewhere in the vicinity of where the original search took place, didn't it? Also, what about the satellite ping?

[michigancat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

[puniraptor]

Plausible.

but then where is the plane? That would place it somewhere in the vicinity of where the original search took place, didn't it? Also, what about the satellite ping?

The smoke killed the pilots and the plane flew off into the southern corridor for 7 more hours? Not good. Just plausible.

I've been saying scheme since day 1 and am sticking with that.

[puniraptor]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

How do they know that stuff?

[Dr Rick Daris]

somebody has feeding the new York times info for days.

[michigancat]

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/18/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

How do they know that stuff?

Flight 370’s Flight Management System reported its status to the Acars, which in turn transmitted information back to a maintenance base, according to an American official. This shows that the reprogramming happened before Acars stopped working. The Acars ceased to function about the same time that oral radio contact was lost and the airplane’s transponder also stopped, fueling suspicions that foul play was involved in the plane’s disappearance.
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I mean, so weird that this is coming out so much later.

[Trim]

Temple of Doom.

[felix rex]

Everything about this story is weird.


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[kslim]

Somebody help me fit "abeam us" into a convo today, id also like to use aft and burnin stogs as well

Thanks

Your pal
Kslim