More of this Schultz on the road, just not our Forte; OSU ADV

[MakeItRain]

game margin differential home/away

OSU -19
KU -29
OU -19
TEX -20
ISU -13
WVU -32.

Clearly luck is an issue

Nothing more annoying that people who won't admit when they were wrong, despite any and all evidence that points that direction.


Also shouldn't you, to be considered a good team, be expected to at least once out of 7 tries beat another good team away from home? Certainly you guys know this, some won't acknowledge it though because it's easier to dumb down expectations than to admit being even slightly wrong.

[420seriouscat69]

We'll make the sweet 16. Write that down.

[pissclams]

Fran summed it up well when he made the connection b/w oscar's  line up for long stretches tonight + inefficient offense + turn overs making it impossible.

one of my biggest cbb pet peeves is coaches who get caught with mumped up combos on the floor for long stretches.  it's not will being in foul trouble, he's got to do a better job managing his bench.

we'll get better but it can be frustrating when I consider this team's potential - that's the story of college hoops at a school like KSU cats though

[michigancat]

I don't think it's completely fair to assume true road game problems will show up in neutral site games.

I'll take it further. I still don't think we have a road game problem. We were just slightly more lucky at home than on the road.

I don't think oscar has a road game problem, but I think our freshman do. I'm not sure they understand how aggressive and focused you have to be on the road to beat a good team. Losing will give you perspective on that though. I'm sure they're not sitting around and wondering why they didn't win.

If they didn't know how to be aggressive and focused, they wouldn't be undefeated at home.

[MakeItRain]

We'll make the sweet 16. Write that down.

A prediction of this or a second round loss at this point is totally meaningless, an exercise of luck, no different than pulling our eventual fate out of a hat.

[#LIFE]

We'll make the sweet 16. Write that down.

More likely to not win another game than have this happen

[pissclams]

We'll make the sweet 16. Write that down.

A prediction of this or a second round loss at this point is totally meaningless, an exercise of luck, no different than pulling our eventual fate out of a hat.

I think he's just trying to be positive

[MakeItRain]

Just a sloppy effort all around. oscar deserves fair criticism, his 2 foul policy bit him badly. The long stretch without Will turned a nice lead into a 1st half deficit, granted we had plenty of other guys contribute.

Did you hear oscar in the post-game? He was furious with Will, essentially said that Will's fouls were dumb, actually he may have just straight up said as much.

[420seriouscat69]

We'll make the sweet 16. Write that down.

A prediction of this or a second round loss at this point is totally meaningless, an exercise of luck, no different than pulling our eventual fate out of a hat.

All predictions are meaningless. We're such a weird team. I'm just happy we're in the tourney. I love a reasonable reason to take off on a Thursday/Friday.

[ksupamplemousse]

So, what's the rough ridin' answer on the road then Rusty? It's easy to be locked in at home. You can clearly tell that focus is a problem on the road. We have tons of WTF turnovers on the road, and we have way more breakdowns on defense. Do our basketball skills regress on the road, what's the rough ridin' answer?

[GoodForAnother]

Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.

to be fair, you can say that about almost every big 12 team

[MakeItRain]

We'll make the sweet 16. Write that down.

A prediction of this or a second round loss at this point is totally meaningless, an exercise of luck, no different than pulling our eventual fate out of a hat.

I think he's just trying to be positive

I agree with _FAN's assessment that these road games shouldn't be a predictor of tournament success or failure, although it would be ridiculously silly to not acknowledge the clown show this team was on the road this year.

[kso_FAN]

K-State's defense just wasn't good enough on the road this season (granted the offense wasn't great either) and I think its more than just luck.

Opponents shoot 39.8% on 2s and 39.8% eFG% in the OOD.
Opponents shot 50.3% on 2s and 50.5% eFG% on the road.

K-State also gets beat in TO% by nearly 4% on the road (nearly even at home) and the Cats only shoot 31.5% on 3s on the road compared to 39.2% on 3s at home. Also, FT rate differential on the road was -13% while its nearly even in the OOD.

This is probably one major way the lack of size for this team showed up. K-State is able to use team defense (likely fed by a bit more energy at home) to bother shots and keep opponents shooting% down at home, especially on 2s. On the road K-State does that in stretches (and we saw that tonight), but they simply can't sustain it, whether that be because we simply don't have enough size or because we don't have enough adequate depth inside to maintain the defense oscar needs to get it done. Whatever it is, we're clearly not as good on the road.

[michigancat]

So, what's the rough ridin' answer on the road then Rusty? It's easy to be locked in at home. You can clearly tell that focus is a problem on the road. We have tons of WTF turnovers on the road, and we have way more breakdowns on defense. Do our basketball skills regress on the road, what's the rough ridin' answer?

The solution is to keep all the returners, get better players, and hope the rest of the league gets worse. Not much else to be done.

[michigancat]

Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.

to be fair, you can say that about almost every big 12 team

Yes.

[kso_FAN]

Just a sloppy effort all around. oscar deserves fair criticism, his 2 foul policy bit him badly. The long stretch without Will turned a nice lead into a 1st half deficit, granted we had plenty of other guys contribute.

Did you hear oscar in the post-game? He was furious with Will, essentially said that Will's fouls were dumb, actually he may have just straight up said as much.

I didn't hear it live, but I saw someone tweet it. I don't think what he said was inaccurate and because of the nature of those fouls I can see why he didn't trust putting Will back out there.

[ksupamplemousse]

So, what's the rough ridin' answer on the road then Rusty? It's easy to be locked in at home. You can clearly tell that focus is a problem on the road. We have tons of WTF turnovers on the road, and we have way more breakdowns on defense. Do our basketball skills regress on the road, what's the rough ridin' answer?

The solution is to keep all the returners, get better players, and hope the rest of the league gets worse. Not much else to be done.

Exactly, because those guys will eventually settle down on the road and be able to focus on making plays instead of being rattled by an unfamiliar, hostile atmosphere.

[kso_FAN]

Fran summed it up well when he made the connection b/w oscar's  line up for long stretches tonight + inefficient offense + turn overs making it impossible.

one of my biggest cbb pet peeves is coaches who get caught with mumped up combos on the floor for long stretches.  it's not will being in foul trouble, he's got to do a better job managing his bench.

we'll get better but it can be frustrating when I consider this team's potential - that's the story of college hoops at a school like KSU cats though

Yeah, at some point you just need enough good players to not have such weird line-ups. And oscar isn't a tight line up guy, he's more than willing to throw guys like Omari, Wesley, Jevon, and DJamer out there. Fortunately DJamer came around to being pretty productive, but the rest of those guys are a mixed bag. So are some of his regulars at times though. (like Shane)

[michigancat]

So, what's the rough ridin' answer on the road then Rusty? It's easy to be locked in at home. You can clearly tell that focus is a problem on the road. We have tons of WTF turnovers on the road, and we have way more breakdowns on defense. Do our basketball skills regress on the road, what's the rough ridin' answer?

The solution is to keep all the returners, get better players, and hope the rest of the league gets worse. Not much else to be done.

Exactly, because those guys will eventually settle down on the road and be able to focus on making plays instead of being rattled by an unfamiliar, hostile atmosphere.

Mostly older players just get better. But I'm sure grit and focus and heart and drive will be important, too!

[MakeItRain]

So, what's the rough ridin' answer on the road then Rusty? It's easy to be locked in at home. You can clearly tell that focus is a problem on the road. We have tons of WTF turnovers on the road, and we have way more breakdowns on defense. Do our basketball skills regress on the road, what's the rough ridin' answer?

The solution is to keep all the returners, get better players, and hope the rest of the league gets worse. Not much else to be done.

Exactly, because those guys will eventually settle down on the road and be able to focus on making plays instead of being rattled by an unfamiliar, hostile atmosphere.

Foster will need to become a more reliable go to guy to get buckets when the offense bogs down. Teams defend much better at home, shot making is at a premium when you aren't relying on turning defense to offense as much.

Iowa State has spent the entire Hoiberg tenure knowing that next year they will be better on the road, they have won 11 road games in 4 seasons.

[420seriouscat69]

Pretty awesome to see Weber takes care of crap at home. Hope he sends Martin a message.

[ksupamplemousse]

Mostly older players just get better. But I'm sure grit and focus and heart and drive will be important, too!

I didn't say anything about grit, heart, and drive. We played hard tonight. We make a lot more mistakes on the road than we do at home. Our players don't suddenly become less talented when we go on the road. There has to be an explanation about why we play worse on the road, and luck has to been shown to be a bullshit excuse by the margin between our home/away scores against the same opponent. It's not uncommon for freshman to have a hard time ignoring the distractions on the road. I think it definitely plays a part in our road woes this year. Much more than luck anyway.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Rebounding and getting to the line are the two things this team needed to do to perform better on the road. Other thing are harder to fix because of a lack of talent. I thought we showed some good signs of that tonight, other thing made the wheels fall of the wagon. Not really all that upset.

[ksupamplemousse]

So, what's the rough ridin' answer on the road then Rusty? It's easy to be locked in at home. You can clearly tell that focus is a problem on the road. We have tons of WTF turnovers on the road, and we have way more breakdowns on defense. Do our basketball skills regress on the road, what's the rough ridin' answer?

The solution is to keep all the returners, get better players, and hope the rest of the league gets worse. Not much else to be done.

Exactly, because those guys will eventually settle down on the road and be able to focus on making plays instead of being rattled by an unfamiliar, hostile atmosphere.

Foster will need to become a more reliable go to guy to get buckets when the offense bogs down. Teams defend much better at home, shot making is at a premium when you aren't relying on turning defense to offense as much.

Iowa State has spent the entire Hoiberg tenure knowing that next year they will be better on the road, they have won 11 road games in 4 seasons.

Foster definitely needs to learn how to score even when the other team is throwing the book at him, but a part of that is limiting turnovers so that we can get more shots up.

[michigancat]

Mostly older players just get better. But I'm sure grit and focus and heart and drive will be important, too!

I didn't say anything about grit, heart, and drive. We played hard tonight. We make a lot more mistakes on the road than we do at home. Our players don't suddenly become less talented when we go on the road. There has to be an explanation about why we play worse on the road, and luck has to been shown to be a bullshit excuse by the margin between our home/away scores against the same opponent. It's not uncommon for freshman to have a hard time ignoring the distractions on the road. I think it definitely plays a part in our road woes this year. Much more than luck anyway.

Every team in college basketball makes more mistakes on the road. And luck isn't an excuse, just an observation. I guess I missed the proof that luck wasn't a factor in basketball.