Author Topic: More of this Schultz on the road, just not our Forte; OSU ADV (Read 12297 times)

kso_FAN · « **on:** March 03, 2014, 10:22:41 PM »

Just a sloppy effort all around. oscar deserves fair criticism, his 2 foul policy bit him badly. The long stretch without Will turned a nice lead into a 1st half deficit, granted we had plenty of other guys contribute. Then after fighting back a bit, Shane's personal 7-0 run (for OSU) essentially finished this thing off. Overall a poor defensive effort and (again) the Cats can't finish inside on the road (awful 2PT shooting) nor can they draw fouls.

I don't think it effects much big picture, and I didn't expect the Cats to win, but its stinks to see these efforts. Still, I think we rebound at home and handle Baylor this weekend.

This team looks like an 8/9 seed and the road thing has caught up with it. Maybe we'll get a benefit for quality wins (or win a couple games in Kansas City) and get to the 7 line, but we seem destined for an 8/9. And right now I'm not listening to "well we were supposed to be a bubble/NIT team" talk, we've played like a team that should have won at least 4 road games in this league and be looking for at least a 6 seed.

michigancat · « **Reply #1 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:25:44 PM »

Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.

kslim · « **Reply #2 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:27:14 PM »

Foster and Shane were plain bad in the second half

Wes played like a stud tho

'taterblast · « **Reply #3 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:28:54 PM »

the first 10 minutes was so refreshing and then nope, still suck on the road

'taterblast · « **Reply #4 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:29:35 PM »

can it be blamed on youth?

kso_FAN · « **Reply #5 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:30:23 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:25:44 PM

Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.

I felt we put ourselves into position to win several.

I agree we lost to good teams, possibly every road loss to a tournament team.

Boondock Poonhound · « **Reply #6 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:31:06 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:22:41 PM

Just a sloppy effort all around. oscar deserves fair criticism, his 2 foul policy bit him badly. The long stretch without Will turned a nice lead into a 1st half deficit, granted we had plenty of other guys contribute. Then after fighting back a bit, Shane's personal 7-0 run (for OSU) essentially finished this thing off. Overall a poor defensive effort and (again) the Cats can't finish inside on the road (awful 2PT shooting) nor can they draw fouls.

I don't think it effects much big picture, and I didn't expect the Cats to win, but its stinks to see these efforts. Still, I think we rebound at home and handle Baylor this weekend.

This team looks like an 8/9 seed and the road thing has caught up with it. Maybe we'll get a benefit for quality wins (or win a couple games in Kansas City) and get to the 7 line, but we seem destined for an 8/9. And right now I'm not listening to "well we were supposed to be a bubble/NIT team" talk, we've played like a team that should have won at least 4 road games in this league and be looking for at least a 6 seed.

yep. It just feels like an 8/9 seed now. And to top off the season, we'll ousted by WSU

Bruceketball

kslim · « **Reply #7 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:31:20 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:30:23 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:25:44 PM
Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.

I felt we put ourselves into position to win several.

I agree we lost to good teams, possibly every road loss to a tournament team.

we will be very very good next year

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #8 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:32:18 PM »

We should do a better job making fast break layups.

nicname · « **Reply #9 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:32:50 PM »

It's crazy how a guy who puts up so few stats means so much to this team. I think the OOD will get them another win against Baylor, but it will be tough sledding in KC. Unrealistic to hope for anything past the first weekend in the NCAAs, unless we get some favorable spot and the fans travel well. It's unlikely that either/ both of those happen though.

Mixed-Nutz · « **Reply #10 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:33:35 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:25:44 PM

Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.

This.

We needed to attack the rim more in the first half, things would of eventually of fallen in place. I thought our effort was great tonight, tried to make plays. We have had road games where this wasn't quite the case. Beside that we were sloppy and might not of been prepared enough.

kso_FAN · « **Reply #11 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:34:31 PM »

I don't think it's completely fair to assume true road game problems will show up in neutral site games.

nicname · « **Reply #12 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:34:50 PM »

Quote from: Boondock Poonhound on March 03, 2014, 10:31:06 PM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:22:41 PM

yep. It just feels like an 8/9 seed now.

Not bad, pretty positive outlook heading into 2014-15. Cats could still sneak up on someone in March too.

Boondock Poonhound · « **Reply #13 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:34:58 PM »

Quote from: emawblast on March 03, 2014, 10:29:35 PM

can it be blamed on youth?

nope. Seniors who won't lead and turn the ball over.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #14 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:36:22 PM »

Quote from: Mixed-Nutz on March 03, 2014, 10:33:35 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:25:44 PM
Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.
This.

We needed to attack the rim more in the first half, things would of eventually of fallen in place. I thought our effort was great tonight, tried to make plays. We have had road games where this wasn't quite the case. Beside that we were sloppy and might not of been prepared enough.

Did you even watch the game?

michigancat · « **Reply #15 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:37:54 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:34:31 PM

I don't think it's completely fair to assume true road game problems will show up in neutral site games.

I'll take it further. I still don't think we have a road game problem. We were just slightly more lucky at home than on the road.

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #16 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:39:51 PM »

First 16 poss = 22 pts and only 2 TOs
Last 16 poss = 5 pts, 6 TOs, 6 missed layups
the good and the bad of the 1st half

Normally its TO and OR issues giving us problems on Offense. Tonight it was TOs and shooting, mainly 2 pt shots and namely 2 pt shots inside of 5 feet. After starting 9-19 FGs..... we only made 6 of next 28 shots

Nick Florences Beard · « **Reply #17 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:41:43 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:37:54 PM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
I don't think it's completely fair to assume true road game problems will show up in neutral site games.

I'll take it further. I still don't think we have a road game problem. We were just slightly more lucky at home than on the road.

Refs tend to favor the home team, especially in this conference just from what I've seen.

I tend to agree with you, we could have just as easily won more road games. Baylor and Texas were right there at the end. I don't think it's a huge problem either.

kslim · « **Reply #18 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:42:47 PM »

Quote from: Nick Florences Beard on March 03, 2014, 10:41:43 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:37:54 PM
Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
I don't think it's completely fair to assume true road game problems will show up in neutral site games.

I'll take it further. I still don't think we have a road game problem. We were just slightly more lucky at home than on the road.

Refs tend to favor the home team, especially in this conference just from what I've seen.

We could have just as easily won more road games. Baylor and Texas were right there at the end. I don't think it's a huge problem either.

losing games is always a problem

wetwillie · « **Reply #19 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:43:19 PM »

Keiton Forte crushing threes from NBA land was pretty tough to watch. Markel Brown is one of my favorite non emaw big 12 players of all time.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #20 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:43:41 PM »

Quote from: Powercat Posse on March 03, 2014, 10:39:51 PM

First 16 poss = 22 pts and only 2 TOs
Last 16 poss = 5 pts, 6 TOs, 6 missed layups
the good and the bad of the 1st half

Normally its TO and OR issues giving us problems on Offense. Tonight it was TOs and shooting, mainly 2 pt shots and namely 2 pt shots inside of 5 feet. After starting 9-19 FGs..... we only made 6 of next 28 shots

We even missed the ones we didn't get fouled on

'taterblast · « **Reply #21 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:45:12 PM »

game margin differential home/away

OSU -19
KU -29
OU -19
TEX -20
ISU -13
WVU -32.

ksupamplemousse · « **Reply #22 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:47:20 PM »

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:37:54 PM

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:34:31 PM
I don't think it's completely fair to assume true road game problems will show up in neutral site games.

I'll take it further. I still don't think we have a road game problem. We were just slightly more lucky at home than on the road.

I don't think oscar has a road game problem, but I think our freshman do. I'm not sure they understand how aggressive and focused you have to be on the road to beat a good team. Losing will give you perspective on that though. I'm sure they're not sitting around and wondering why they didn't win.

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) · « **Reply #23 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:47:38 PM »

Quote from: emawblast on March 03, 2014, 10:45:12 PM

game margin differential home/away

OSU -19
KU -29
OU -19
TEX -20
ISU -13
WVU -32.

Clearly luck is an issue

Powercat Posse · « **Reply #24 on:** March 03, 2014, 10:53:22 PM »

Quote from: ksu_FAN on March 03, 2014, 10:30:23 PM

Quote from: michigancat on March 03, 2014, 10:25:44 PM
Why should we have won more road games? We lost to good teams on the road.

I felt we put ourselves into position to win several.

I agree we lost to good teams, possibly every road loss to a tournament team.

Baylor game for me is only one I am very disappointed we didn't come out with a W.

Its not the 2-7 record. Of late it is how we are looking on the road

22 pts 10 TOs in 31 poss to start OU game
29 pts in first 45 poss to start Tech game
32 pts and 10 TOs in 38 poss to start Osu game

Each one of those games we had long stretches of just bad offensive BB.