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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #25 on: April 05, 2010, 12:13:34 PM »
Don't really care I guess.  If I had to vote I would keep it where it is.  My biggest prob is the reasons for expanding it go against what they say about the BCS.  Wish they would just come out and say, "we don't care what you think, we are after the most cash". 

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #26 on: April 05, 2010, 12:35:32 PM »
Don't really care I guess.  If I had to vote I would keep it where it is.  My biggest prob is the reasons for expanding it go against what they say about the BCS.  Wish they would just come out and say, "we don't care what you think, we are after the most cash". 

y do u care about their reasoning.  you should care whether or not it makes college basketball better.  fwiw tia nfm

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #27 on: April 05, 2010, 02:07:51 PM »
last few weeks of regular season would become a joke.

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #28 on: April 05, 2010, 02:17:09 PM »
i don't think it's the best answer to the problem.  the drunk coach from west virginia had a better solution, which was eliminate about half the D1 teams, which would result in (a) more power conference teams going to the tourney (which is really the "complaint") and (b) make the regular season more enjoyable/better because you'd have a limited pool of teams to play. 



Yes, this is really a big part of the problem (Kietz has been advocating this as well). 

But small schools are still going to continue with the process of going D1 and joining crappy low-major leagues.  I'm sure getting their piece of the pie from the crappy league for their winner getting a bid as a 15/16 seed is still a lot more $$s than whatever they'd get for making the D2 tournament.  And if the NCAA gives both regular season champs AND conference tournament champs bids with expansion, that is only going to get worse, not better. 

And overall I'm fine with the change, I don't think it will be terrible at all.  I do hope most of the play-in games are match-ups between mid majors and BCS leagues.  For example from this year; it would be less appealing to do a match-up between Arizona and North Carolina both having subpar years, but more interesting to do Wichita State against Arizona.  IMO most of those first 32 games should be those type of match-ups for the chance to play against one of the top 32 teams that get byes.

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2010, 03:26:50 PM »
Do not like. I'm in favor of calling crappy tiny schools what they are (D1AA) and telling them to go hold their own damn tournament. More upsets would only be better the first few rounds. After that, you're all "WTF Siena vs Oakland? I'm not watching that garbage."
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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #30 on: April 05, 2010, 10:43:43 PM »
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Move the tourney to 96 teams, and you make it that much harder for a Butler-type scenario in the future...
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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #31 on: April 05, 2010, 11:04:46 PM »
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Move the tourney to 96 teams, and you make it that much harder for a Butler-type scenario in the future...
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playing more games in the same amount of time = less chance of upsets over more talented teams :dunno:
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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #32 on: April 06, 2010, 07:56:25 AM »
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Move the tourney to 96 teams, and you make it that much harder for a Butler-type scenario in the future...
2 minutes ago via web

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playing more games in the same amount of time = less chance of upsets over more talented teams :dunno:

butler would get a bye just like any other top 8 seed.  they might face tougher competition in the round of 64 but so would all top 8 seeds.  :dunno:

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #33 on: April 06, 2010, 08:00:29 AM »
butler would get a bye just like any other top 8 seed.  they might face tougher competition in the round of 64 but so would all top 8 seeds.  :dunno:

Exactly.  Nothing would've changed about Butler's possible run.  This may be the poorest anti-expansion talking point I've seen.

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #34 on: April 06, 2010, 09:53:04 AM »
Seems silly.  It's not broke, why fix it? 


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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #35 on: April 06, 2010, 09:57:56 AM »
Seems silly.  It's not broke, why fix it? 



Simple.  The NCAA is worried about losing $$$$$.

The other talking points (coach's jobs, more teams get the opportunity, etc.) are just fillers. 

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #36 on: April 06, 2010, 10:03:26 AM »
hoping expansion also means ESPN gets the tourney.  would mean no more weather interruptions during biggest game of year.

"it's not broke don't fix it".  those are usually the last words of a current industry leader getting ready to be burned.  you should always look to be improving your product even if it's 'not broke'.  96 teams will give us better games and more games. 

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #37 on: April 06, 2010, 10:04:31 AM »
they'll be opening up a new can of worms....the "student" part of "student-athlete."

That wouldn't really matter, except for penalties being imposed on teams because of students being retards...and adding more games means that they'll go whole weeks now without being in class.  That's going to come back to bite a lot of teams.

this seems like a very similar thing to football having too many bowl games.  A lot of crap teams that have no business playing with be playing each other, making for horrible games to watch/nobody cares about.

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #38 on: April 06, 2010, 10:05:23 AM »
hoping expansion also means ESPN gets the tourney.  would mean no more weather interruptions during biggest game of year.

"it's not broke don't fix it".  those are usually the last words of a current industry leader getting ready to be burned.  you should always look to be improving your product even if it's 'not broke'.  96 teams will give us better games and more games. 

really?  so you think a whole day of teams under .500 playing each other will be "better games?" 

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #39 on: April 06, 2010, 10:07:12 AM »
hoping expansion also means ESPN gets the tourney.  would mean no more weather interruptions during biggest game of year.

"it's not broke don't fix it".  those are usually the last words of a current industry leader getting ready to be burned.  you should always look to be improving your product even if it's 'not broke'.  96 teams will give us better games and more games. 

really?  so you think a whole day of teams under .500 playing each other will be "better games?" 

no.  why would that happen?

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #40 on: April 06, 2010, 10:12:51 AM »
Would much rather have a BCS system for basketball as well.  Would have loved to see KU and Kentucky play last night instead of that garbage.  Also, you know they would have put us vs. WVU in a BCS game.  That would have been fun.

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #41 on: April 06, 2010, 10:18:00 AM »
Its not terrible.  You wouldn't have to watch the play-in game round on the opening Thurs-Fri, but most people still would.  Then you get your "regular" first round games on Sat-Sun, and it keeps moving on.

I've pretty much conceded that this will happen, so might as well move on and enjoy it.  I'm guessing the first 32 games will be shown on the ESPN family of networks, then CBS will take over with the rest. 

I also kind of like the incentive of a bye for being one of the top 32 teams.


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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #42 on: April 06, 2010, 10:21:36 AM »
Its not terrible.  You wouldn't have to watch the play-in game round on the opening Thurs-Fri, but most people still would.  Then you get your "regular" first round games on Sat-Sun, and it keeps moving on.

I've pretty much conceded that this will happen, so might as well move on and enjoy it.  I'm guessing the first 32 games will be shown on the ESPN family of networks, then CBS will take over with the rest. 

I also kind of like the incentive of a bye for being one of the top 32 teams.



wonder if there will be the possibility of any reseeding after 'play-in' games

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #43 on: April 06, 2010, 10:24:07 AM »
  I also kind of like the incentive of a bye for being one of the top 32 teams.

This is a much underused talking point.  Much of the drama on Selection Sunday will be derived from who gets 8 seeds.  I can see that being the new "made the tournament" criteria for coaches, which actually raises the bar.


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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #44 on: April 06, 2010, 10:24:36 AM »

I also kind of like the incentive of a bye for being one of the top 32 teams.


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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #45 on: April 06, 2010, 10:32:58 AM »
It'll either all be on CBS or all on ESPN, they won't "share" the tourney.  And CBS holds all the cards.  The ESPN thing is just a dream.

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #46 on: April 06, 2010, 10:42:01 AM »
It'll either all be on CBS or all on ESPN, they won't "share" the tourney.  And CBS holds all the cards.  The ESPN thing is just a dream.

ESPN would muck it all up anyway.  CBS does a good job of switching between games as the action dictates (well, maybe not "good", but better than any other network does for any other sport).  Guarantee you ESPN would make us sit through a Duke 95-62 snoozefest while a Xavier-K-State type game is going on elsewhere.  It's what they do, because they don't give a crap about what their audience wants.
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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #47 on: April 06, 2010, 10:47:22 AM »
It'll either all be on CBS or all on ESPN, they won't "share" the tourney.  And CBS holds all the cards.  The ESPN thing is just a dream.

Good point, all or nothing for any network is probably true.  But I could see ESPN making a big push for it and at least putting up a competitive bid.

But sitting at home I can watch one game on ESPN.  Another on ESPN2.  And another on ESPNU.  And if a 4th is on, it will be on ESPN Classic.  And all games available online on ESPN3.com.  

Never have to worry about which region my CBS channel is in again for which gave I'll get on TV.

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #48 on: April 06, 2010, 10:52:17 AM »
How much money does ESPN make on the NIT opening rounds?  Because that’s what they’d be adding to the Tourney.  Also makes the conference tournament that much more irrelevant.  Tech doesn’t care about winning it because they’re going to be part of the field of 96 anyway and they don’t really have a legitimate chance to get a top 32 seed.  All the expansion does is add more mid majors, which I don’t think is a good thing at all from a competitive stand point.  Why would CBS want to pay more for a product that is more likely to include teams that no one really wants to watch?  

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Re: tournament expansion groupthink
« Reply #49 on: April 06, 2010, 10:54:04 AM »
I like that this is happening.  Because, now we are basically a tourny lock for 2012 and a first round bye lock for 2011  :gocho: