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good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« on: February 24, 2014, 11:16:20 PM »
He is so good they think it is a slothfense when in reality....

http://www.footballstudyhall.com/2014/2/24/5437400/college-football-spread-offenses


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Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #1 on: February 24, 2014, 11:23:31 PM »
Good stuff hatter!

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #2 on: February 24, 2014, 11:24:27 PM »
Read this earlier today. It's good stuff.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #3 on: February 24, 2014, 11:36:25 PM »
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KSU seems to do an incredible job of self-scouting to ensure they do not fall into any formation tendencies and become predictable.

:lol:

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #4 on: February 25, 2014, 08:21:38 AM »
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KSU seems to do an incredible job of self-scouting to ensure they do not fall into any formation tendencies and become predictable.

:lol:
3rd and 8? Short side option all day

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #5 on: February 25, 2014, 08:35:26 AM »
it is weird, i watch our offense and feel like i can predict every play (i can't), but then all opposing coaches and stats ever say is that we have a super efficient diverse offense.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #6 on: February 25, 2014, 08:41:18 AM »
it is weird, i watch our offense and feel like i can predict every play (i can't), but then all opposing coaches and stats ever say is that we have a super efficient diverse offense.

opposing big 12 coaches can also predict every play

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #7 on: February 25, 2014, 08:45:27 AM »
not every play  :shakesfist:

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #8 on: February 25, 2014, 08:46:53 AM »
It may look like the same play but the blocking schemes and small variations in how we line up and the situation can all be different.  the devil is in the details.  Snyder puts immense pressure on opposing defensive coaches because of the variation in his offense and how he utilizes the QB to do different things.  I would be willing to bet that you could watch 10 plays Snyder runs that all look the same but would be considered different.
Academics is a stupid word.

Academic schools are synonymous for being rich, powerful and exclusive, three things Kansas State is not.

So when people throw the word "academics" around, that's really what they are referencing.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #9 on: February 25, 2014, 08:50:37 AM »
"You see, the difference on this play is the false tell the left tackle has implemented.  Over the last 10 run plays he widens his stance intentionally.  Then the defense is ripe for the picking as he tightens his stance for the 11th running play.  Genius."

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2014, 09:10:28 AM »
I've charted every play from most of our games the last 3 seasons. This offense has plenty to defend and I think the combination of power running, option, and spread passing game is really tough. Plus the crazy number of formations and personnel groups we use.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #11 on: February 25, 2014, 09:16:08 AM »
According to my data, its all the wizardry that's responsible.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #12 on: February 25, 2014, 09:33:15 AM »
I've charted every play from most of our games the last 3 seasons. This offense has plenty to defend and I think the combination of power running, option, and spread passing game is really tough. Plus the crazy number of formations and personnel groups we use.


we sub like an nfl team on offense.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #14 on: February 25, 2014, 10:25:02 AM »

not every play  :shakesfist:

At least 8 of 10?

Yes maybe that



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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #15 on: February 25, 2014, 10:57:46 AM »
It makes me happy when the wildcats are ranked number one at stuff!  A part of my brain started to wonder if it meant that our skill dudes were super easy to tackle so I told it to knock it off. 

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #16 on: February 25, 2014, 01:39:44 PM »
I could be WAY off base here, but I feel like when we struggle it is because we are allowing the defense to dictate what we do much more than the other way.  the snyder brain trust is always trying to get into the "perfect" play and when we are struggling it is because we are trying to constantly change plays at the line etc.


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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #17 on: February 25, 2014, 01:43:05 PM »
I could be WAY off base here, but I feel like when we struggle it is because we are allowing the defense to dictate what we do much more than the other way.  the snyder brain trust is always trying to get into the "perfect" play and when we are struggling it is because we are trying to constantly change plays at the line etc.

Except when that happens typically the other crap didn't work so they are trying to find something that does.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #18 on: February 25, 2014, 01:51:25 PM »

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KSU seems to do an incredible job of self-scouting to ensure they do not fall into any formation tendencies and become predictable.

:lol:

To be fair, that quote was talking about the 2012 offense which was much less predictable than 2013.


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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #19 on: February 25, 2014, 02:03:12 PM »

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KSU seems to do an incredible job of self-scouting to ensure they do not fall into any formation tendencies and become predictable.

:lol:

To be fair, that quote was talking about the 2012 offense which was much less predictable than 2013.


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They weren't really that different. In fact, the little run option pass was a nice significant addition this season.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #20 on: February 25, 2014, 02:52:20 PM »

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KSU seems to do an incredible job of self-scouting to ensure they do not fall into any formation tendencies and become predictable.

:lol:

To be fair, that quote was talking about the 2012 offense which was much less predictable than 2013.


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They weren't really that different. In fact, the little run option pass was a nice significant addition this season.

I'm interested to see what they add for next year.  Seems like snyds 2.0 has had a fairly significant wrinkle to just about each of his offenses since he returned.

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #21 on: February 25, 2014, 02:54:40 PM »

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KSU seems to do an incredible job of self-scouting to ensure they do not fall into any formation tendencies and become predictable.

:lol:

To be fair, that quote was talking about the 2012 offense which was much less predictable than 2013.


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They weren't really that different. In fact, the little run option pass was a nice significant addition this season.

Yeah, our offense was very diverse this past year. Execution was the issue. Tons of turnovers, more penalties than is characteristic of a LHC Bill Snyder team, and Jake never really figured out how to throw an accurate pass under 10 yards.
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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #22 on: February 25, 2014, 03:31:59 PM »
seems like a lot of dipshits are outing themselves in this thread

on the other hand it helps to illuminate the part of our fanbase that feels the need to count down the play clock and harumph

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #23 on: February 26, 2014, 01:37:51 AM »
Does anyone have that old article saved that discusses how Snyders offense kind of sparked Urban Myer's offense at Florida (Utah before) and talks about Snyders defense is what helped Stoops and his Defense at OU when those two teams played in the Natty? If I remember correctly it talks about Snyders offense and how it utilized a duel-threat QB. Anyone remember this?  :dunno:

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Re: good read on how Snyder is more "spread" than all..
« Reply #24 on: February 26, 2014, 05:54:58 AM »
Urban pakd in Manhattan for a few days one summer for a camp.