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Offline Powercat Posse

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #75 on: February 02, 2014, 01:35:31 AM »
The perimeter was locked down today. MC is dumb for saying we got lots of good looks today. They shutdown half of our offense from the perimeter (southwell, sprads, foster, etc.).

Well.... they did prevent us from shooting open 3s.  We were 2-8 until the final minute of the game.

On the flip side.... we were 10-16 FGs the first 10 minutes of the game.   And we were 15-20 FGs the first 19 minutes of the 2nd half.  We scored the ball from the field pretty well for a good portion of this game

The major difference was WV got to the line 19 times where they shot 2 FTS.... and made 28 of them (77.8%).  That's 1.56 on those 19 poss
Ksu got to the line 9 times where we shot 2 FTs.... and made 7 ( 38.9%).   That's .78 on those 9 poss

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #76 on: February 02, 2014, 01:54:30 AM »
have the opportunity to get better

Like I said, perfectly fine.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #77 on: February 02, 2014, 02:25:01 AM »
to even take it one step farther.  Both teams had 73 poss today

Kstate had 23 poss that did not end in a miss or made FG attempt
We had 14 TOs.  We had 9 poss where we got 2 FT attempts.   
We scored 7 pts in these 23 poss

WV had 28 poss that did not end in a miss or made FG attempt
10 TOs for them
18 poss where they attempted 2 FTs
They scored 28 pts on these 28 poss

Quite clear what the problem was!! :frown:

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #78 on: February 02, 2014, 02:37:22 AM »
The perimeter was locked down today. MC is dumb for saying we got lots of good looks today. They shutdown half of our offense from the perimeter (southwell, sprads, foster, etc.).

Southwell and Sprads had some open looks that they passed up. Our team should never shoot as few threes as we did today. Not saying that they weren't playing good perimeter defense, because they were, but really good players find a way to get their shots up. Sprads and Shane are not really good players.
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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #79 on: February 02, 2014, 08:01:44 AM »
the botched 3-on-1 break was laughable..as was the freethrow shooting.

Someone please tell me J. Thomas is going to some summer camp or something to correct his horrendous FT shooting.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #80 on: February 02, 2014, 08:33:00 AM »
Meh. Just as some overreacted positivity I'm not surprised this string of games is causing the negative side to come out. This is still a .500ish league team on the bubble.

your going to want to cut this post because being able to paste it will save you a lot of time over the next five years.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #81 on: February 02, 2014, 09:15:54 AM »

Meh. Just as some overreacted positivity I'm not surprised this string of games is causing the negative side to come out. This is still a .500ish league team on the bubble.

your going to want to cut this post because being able to paste it will save you a lot of time over the next five years.

Ya, add it to your sig, Fan.  Then just post "read my sig" (obviously you'll be able to abbreviate that to "RMS" to save time).

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #82 on: February 02, 2014, 09:27:53 AM »
Meh. Just as some overreacted positivity I'm not surprised this string of games is causing the negative side to come out. This is still a .500ish league team on the bubble.

your going to want to cut this post because being able to paste it will save you a lot of time over the next five years.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #83 on: February 02, 2014, 10:23:02 AM »
have the opportunity to get better

Like I said, perfectly fine.

So perfectly fine in your book means something not yet achieved? So according to rusty I'm perfectly fine at averaging sub five minute miles while running a marathon. America is perfectly fine at developing colonies on Jupiter. Sean Lowe was perfectly fine with premarital sex. Etc., etc., etc.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #84 on: February 02, 2014, 10:25:57 AM »
have the opportunity to get better

Like I said, perfectly fine.

So perfectly fine in your book means something not yet achieved?

I already told you this team has won close games this year. Why don't those games count?

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #85 on: February 02, 2014, 10:34:50 AM »
have the opportunity to get better

Like I said, perfectly fine.

So perfectly fine in your book means something not yet achieved?

I already told you this team has won close games this year. Why don't those games count?

Its not that they don't count, they just count less and they will be lessened even more the more of these close losses stack up. If we don't win road games we'll be playing home games in the nit and that isn't the point of all of this.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #86 on: February 02, 2014, 11:34:03 AM »
have the opportunity to get better

Like I said, perfectly fine.

So perfectly fine in your book means something not yet achieved?

I already told you this team has won close games this year. Why don't those games count?

Its not that they don't count, they just count less and they will be lessened even more the more of these close losses stack up. If we don't win road games we'll be playing home games in the nit and that isn't the point of all of this.

What you typed does not point to a systematic failure in close games. Obviously losses are worse than wins.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #87 on: February 02, 2014, 11:50:36 AM »
have the opportunity to get better

Like I said, perfectly fine.

So perfectly fine in your book means something not yet achieved?

I already told you this team has won close games this year. Why don't those games count?

Its not that they don't count, they just count less and they will be lessened even more the more of these close losses stack up. If we don't win road games we'll be playing home games in the nit and that isn't the point of all of this.

What you typed does not point to a systematic failure in close games. Obviously losses are worse than wins.

This is a battle of semantics that we can keep going with if you want. I can now follow up with you attempting to frame my argument against the team as a systematic failure when I made no such claim. There is a large gulf between perfectly fine and systematic failure. I've never had the team on either side of that spectrum, there's no need to force me there because I think we fall short of perfectly fine.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #88 on: February 02, 2014, 11:52:17 AM »
Dude I know it was a semantics argument from the start which is why I said we were basically saying the same thing from the start. Take a lap, mir.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #89 on: February 02, 2014, 12:02:50 PM »
the botched 3-on-1 break was laughable..as was the freethrow shooting.

Someone please tell me J. Thomas is going to some summer camp or something to correct his horrendous FT shooting.

almost forgot about that play.  Shane thought Jevon was gonna throw an oop.  I think when Shane jumped, Jevon may have hesitated and lost his concentration on the lay up.    If Shane doesn't jump, he is in good position to get the rebound or maybe a tip in.   Just another blown play and miscommunication where we wasted a possession.  Add that one to the 3 TOs where Gip/Westicles  then gip/Shane were not on the same page and we threw the ball out of bounds, and finally Shane  just being lethargic  and dribbles out of bounds late when WV came to pressure him beyond half court

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #90 on: February 02, 2014, 12:10:14 PM »
What is wrong with Jevon?  He's terrible at everything offensively except drawing contact and passing. 

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #91 on: February 02, 2014, 12:13:53 PM »
Meh. Just as some overreacted positivity I'm not surprised this string of games is causing the negative side to come out. This is still a .500ish league team on the bubble.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #92 on: February 02, 2014, 12:17:21 PM »
What is wrong with Jevon?  He's terrible at everything offensively except drawing contact and passing.

unrealistic savior-like expectations on this blog

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #93 on: February 02, 2014, 12:48:08 PM »
The highlight of the game was Shane's complete meltdown at a half hearted double team. 

My first reaction was of course "go to the ball" but after replaying it several times, there's little doubt that his teammates were just as surprised as we were that the senior completely panicked.


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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #94 on: February 02, 2014, 01:50:55 PM »
Anyone care to look up and comparo bws away record at ill?

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #95 on: February 02, 2014, 01:52:34 PM »
Anyone care to look up and comparo bws away record at ill?

44% overall. 32% if you take our the first 3 seasons.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #96 on: February 02, 2014, 02:06:53 PM »
What is wrong with Jevon?  He's terrible at everything offensively except drawing contact and passing.

unrealistic savior-like expectations on this blog
I didnt expect him to be a savior, just somewhat average at offense, he's really, really bad at it.  Good defense, speed, and passing helps make up, but he's pretty much useless offensively otherwise. the great speed is a lot less useful because he cant finish or hit FTs.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #97 on: February 02, 2014, 02:11:35 PM »
I think most thought Jevon would be a solid point with decent offense. His offensive numbers are just brutal, historically bad shooting.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #98 on: February 02, 2014, 02:20:23 PM »
So our starting point guard of the future sucks is basically another way of putting it.  I could give a eff about his defense.

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Re: Not an UnderStatenment, Cats take a turnover for the worse; WVU 2 ADV
« Reply #99 on: February 02, 2014, 02:27:56 PM »
I thought Jevon would be worse at attacking the basket and creating offense, but I didn't expect him to be one of the worst shooters of all time. So I guess it kind of balances out.