I Miss The OOD

[ksupamplemousse]

Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?

Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass.  I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.

Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.

[ksupamplemousse]

Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?

Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass.  I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.

Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.

Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?

Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass.  I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.

Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.

Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.

While I don't disagree entirely about the relationship working part, but Frank was pretty insuferable on many levels.   You need to hang a few banners and put some trophies of import in the case before you get to that level.   Also, really no excuse for any major conference team experiencing an above average level of success (to Frank's credit) to go out and miss on the recruiting trail that often.   There were good players interested in K-State, who ulimately decided they wanted no part of Frank.   

[CNS]

Dax, successful teams sucking at recruiting is a long established KSU tradition.  Why should one coach be held to a standard that the others arent?

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax, successful teams sucking at recruiting is a long established KSU tradition.  Why should one coach be held to a standard that the others arent?

Terrible, how do you even respond to that?

[ksupamplemousse]

Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?

Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass.  I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.

Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.

Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.

While I don't disagree entirely about the relationship working part, but Frank was pretty insuferable on many levels.   You need to hang a few banners and put some trophies of import in the case before you get to that level.   Also, really no excuse for any major conference team experiencing an above average level of success (to Frank's credit) to go out and miss on the recruiting trail that often.   There were good players interested in K-State, who ulimately decided they wanted no part of Frank.

USC's basketball tradition must be a pretty strong pull, for known bad guy like Frank Martin to be able to pull in a few 4* kids his first couple of years on the job.

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?

Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass.  I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.

Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.

Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.

While I don't disagree entirely about the relationship working part, but Frank was pretty insuferable on many levels.   You need to hang a few banners and put some trophies of import in the case before you get to that level.   Also, really no excuse for any major conference team experiencing an above average level of success (to Frank's credit) to go out and miss on the recruiting trail that often.   There were good players interested in K-State, who ulimately decided they wanted no part of Frank.

USC's basketball tradition must be a pretty strong pull, for known bad guy like Frank Martin to be able to pull in a few 4* kids his first couple of years on the job.

Thus it's why change is good.   Frank was melting down at K-State bro, he needed a change.

[CNS]

Dax, successful teams sucking at recruiting is a long established KSU tradition.  Why should one coach be held to a standard that the others arent?

Terrible, how do you even respond to that?

 

[mocat]

fwiw i bet lucas scoopsalot (much like mocat) missed the OOD when frank was still here too, dax

[kougar24]

Can I clear things up? I only started this thread because I've been to all the home games last year and this year and outside of the KU and OK State game last year, Bramlage has been a very boring place to attend games. The crowd isn't into the games and it is boring; I simply want more fans at the games, which makes it more fun. I'm to the point that I don't care what that takes as long as football doesn't suck.

No, denied. You started this thread because you are a Frankite and miss Frank and want Frank back and hate oscar because Frank and frankly it is sad. /dax

[CHONGS]

It's the butthurt that keeps you away. 

Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."

We all know kougs is a simpleton, so let's get that out of the way first.

For me it was pretty simple: replacing a guy who

a) 5-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season

with

b) 4-4 (5-12 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season

isn't an exciting idea.  Settling for other programs garbage isn't exciting.   Never did I think I would see the day when dax thought a coach fired (for performance reasons) from a school he considers vastly underachieving in sports would be good enough for him.  And not only good enough, but the best poor wittle ole K-State could do.

You can pretend for me its about Frank, but for me its about showing the whole college basketball world that KSU basketball is an inferior program that can only hope to settle for coaches not good enough for the big-time and in a tier below Illinois.   Successful enough at a program like Illinois -> get hired by a school Kansas, bad enough to get fired by Iliinois -> good enough to get immediately hired by KSU.  Maybe next we can hire whoever fails at NC State?

[star seed 7]

It's the butthurt that keeps you away. 

Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."

We all know kougs is a simpleton, so let's get that out of the way first.

For me it was pretty simple: replacing a guy who

a) 5-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season

with

b) 4-4 (5-12 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season

isn't an exciting idea.  Settling for other programs garbage isn't exciting.   Never did I think I would see the day when dax thought a coach fired (for performance reasons) from a school he considers vastly underachieving in sports would be good enough for him.  And not only good enough, but the best poor wittle ole K-State could do.

You can pretend for me its about Frank, but for me its about showing the whole college basketball world that KSU basketball is an inferior program that can only hope to settle for coaches not good enough for the big-time and in a tier below Illinois.   Successful enough at a program like Illinois -> get hired by a school Kansas, bad enough to get fired by Iliinois -> good enough to get immediately hired by KSU.  Maybe next we can hire whoever fails at NC State?

oscar is the tater pringle tots of ncca basketball 

[kougar24]

It's the butthurt that keeps you away. 

Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."

We all know kougs is a simpleton, so let's get that out of the way first.

For me it was pretty simple: replacing a guy who

a) 5-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season

with

b) 4-4 (5-12 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season

isn't an exciting idea.  Settling for other programs garbage isn't exciting.   Never did I think I would see the day when dax thought a coach fired (for performance reasons) from a school he considers vastly underachieving in sports would be good enough for him.  And not only good enough, but the best poor wittle ole K-State could do.

You can pretend for me its about Frank, but for me its about showing the whole college basketball world that KSU basketball is an inferior program that can only hope to settle for coaches not good enough for the big-time and in a tier below Illinois.   Successful enough at a program like Illinois -> get hired by a school Kansas, bad enough to get fired by Iliinois -> good enough to get immediately hired by KSU.  Maybe next we can hire whoever fails at NC State?

You call me a simpleton and then agree with me. I love how obtuse you can be. It's pretty impressive on a pathetic level.

[michigancat]

Frank's recruiting was improving when he left. He learned a lot after his big misses in 2008 and 2009. Just wanted to point that out.

[Havs]

I remember these types of debates during the Greg McDermott era about whether Eustachy was on a downside or not (recruiting wise) and whether it was worth getting rid of him because of the (then) current program state of affairs under Mac. Ts and Ps.

[Cartierfor3]

In that run Dax references we did have a couple wins on the road against top 5 teams where JO DOB'd.

[slimz]

[ChiComCat]

When Frank took over the team was on an upward trend coming off the NIT.  When he left it was on a downward trend coming off the second round of the NCAAs.  If that's the trends that dax is arguing then the standard definitely changed under Frank.

Back to the point of the thread though: No, Frank was never dominant in the OOD.  But the atmosphere was improved, turnout was improved, and we beat KU there twice which we hadn't done in the previous 20+ years.  When I say I miss the OOD it isn't because of K-State's home dominance.  I miss ESPN talking about it as an elite venue for a game, I miss the fans going apeshit to sandstorm straight through a timeout, and I miss knowing that even if the #1 team in the country came in there, we had a chance.

[Stevesie60]

Man, ESPN loved to talk about the OOD. Anybody who watched ESPN even once a week knew our venue was called the OOD and who Jacob Pullen was. Now the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team.

[star seed 7]

Man, ESPN loved to talk about the OOD. Anybody who watched ESPN even once a week knew our venue was called the OOD and who Jacob Pullen was. Now the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team.

the average ksu fan would struggle with more than 3 i think.

[nicname]

No really.   The Frankite Butthurt Express is nuclear powered and won't need a refueling for awhile.

I always preferred the term "Martian"

[sonofdaxjones]

One of the reasons the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team is because Frank Martin's recruiting left us with Will Spradling, Omari Lawrence, Niño Williams and Thomas Gipson.   The only name that would have moved the needle ever so slightly was Capt. Homesick.    But even then only amongst hardcore basketball fans. 

That's the huge reason why true freshman comprise 60% plus of our current scoring. 


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[#LIFE]

One of the reasons the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team is because Frank Martin's recruiting left us with Will Spradling, Omari Lawrence, Niño Williams and Thomas Gipson.   The only name that would have moved the needle ever so slightly was Capt. Homesick.    But even then only amongst hardcore basketball fans. 

That's the huge reason why true freshman comprise 60% plus of our current scoring. 


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You misplace a lot of the oscar hate as people loving or missing Frank.  I can't say that I miss Frank that much  Like was mentioned above, what's missed is the atmosphere in the fOOD, the national media always on our nuts, and the general excitement for KSU hoops, even if our record wasn't spectacular.  We had enough going for us that we could have went out and made a hire to maintain that level and ride it for awhile.  Instead we went out and hired the first loser in the unemployment line.

[slobber]

To a point where it is sad really. I want to bring the anger back, I really do, but one man can't do it himself. 

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I read this post while Pride started playing on my iphone.