Shooting thru 2 games:

[sonofdaxjones]

Frank's Forgetful Four:

FG: 16-50 32%
3pt:  3-15 20%

Weber's Weeble's ala chicken nuggets

FG: 27-55 49%
3pt: 4-15  26%

[CNS]

How many of those Frank games did we lose?

[#LIFE]

[sonofdaxjones]

How many of those Frank games did we lose?

Ya know   

[Tobias]

it was that inbound play we gave up last night, wasn't it?

[0.42]

Need backdoor stats tia

[sonofdaxjones]

It does conjure up some great visuals thinking about Frank looking at his future roster while he was still at K-State.   Realizing he'd completely eff'd it up on the recruiting trail, Midwest recruiting bridges all ablaze.   No doubt the wheels were in motion early and often to scapegoat his way to another job.

[Cartierfor3]

Dax is really hung up on Frank Martin it seems.

[420seriouscat69]

Dax is really hung up on Frank Martin it seems.

I am too, FWIW. Eff him for not getting along with his boss. Man up!

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax is really hung up on Frank Martin it seems.

By repeated implication, so is most of this board.   It's very  to read the denials though, so I don't mind.

[Cartierfor3]

Dax is really hung up on Frank Martin it seems.

By repeated implication, so is most of this board.   It's very  to read the denials though, so I don't mind.

Well, I'm openly disappointed with how the program was handled by many people, including Frank. It just seems your standard argument is to tear down Frank and offer little else, and minimize the success he did have.

[Tobias]

dax with one of those wrestling reversal moves.. true BBS'n pro at work

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax is really hung up on Frank Martin it seems.

By repeated implication, so is most of this board.   It's very  to read the denials though, so I don't mind.

Well, I'm openly disappointed with how the program was handled by many people, including Frank. It just seems your standard argument is to tear down Frank and offer little else, and minimize the success he did have.

Again, by repeated implication the Frankites want to revise reality, I address that.  In terms of handling the program, while Frank was here, 95% of the mishandling resides directly with Frank.   In hindsight, the objective person can say it was mishandled significantly.   But like I always say, coaches who really have no intention of staying for the long haul will conjure up bogeymen in order to justify their exit.   

[Cartierfor3]

Dax is really hung up on Frank Martin it seems.

By repeated implication, so is most of this board.   It's very  to read the denials though, so I don't mind.

Well, I'm openly disappointed with how the program was handled by many people, including Frank. It just seems your standard argument is to tear down Frank and offer little else, and minimize the success he did have.

Again, by repeated implication the Frankites want to revise reality, I address that.  In terms of handling the program, while Frank was here, 95% of the mishandling resides directly with Frank.   In hindsight, the objective person can say it was mishandled significantly.   But like I always say, coaches who really have no intention of staying for the long haul will conjure up bogeymen in order to justify their exit.

I can be objective and see the program wouldn't have sustained long term unless recruiting improved and the Frankings were subdued. 

May I ask what your implications are about the future based on the stats you provided?

[ChiComCat]

All players would have a higher shooting percentage if Angel, a Frank player, were still on the team. 

[sonofdaxjones]

Dax is really hung up on Frank Martin it seems.

By repeated implication, so is most of this board.   It's very  to read the denials though, so I don't mind.

Well, I'm openly disappointed with how the program was handled by many people, including Frank. It just seems your standard argument is to tear down Frank and offer little else, and minimize the success he did have.

Again, by repeated implication the Frankites want to revise reality, I address that.  In terms of handling the program, while Frank was here, 95% of the mishandling resides directly with Frank.   In hindsight, the objective person can say it was mishandled significantly.   But like I always say, coaches who really have no intention of staying for the long haul will conjure up bogeymen in order to justify their exit.

I can be objective and see the program wouldn't have sustained long term unless recruiting improved and the Frankings were subdued. 

May I ask what your implications are about the future based on the stats you provided?

To me it's pretty telling when you have true freshman showing that they are more highly skilled players than Seniors.   I don't know about oscar, but from a talent perspective betwen several of the guys playing now, and what I think we have in guys who can't play right now, . . and then toss in Hurt, I think there's plenty to be optimistic about.

ChiCat . . . one tip of the Cat to Shane, he's a better passer than Angel.

[ChiComCat]

The level of competition and playing time is making them look better than they are.  They have been more talented than the competition, which they should be.  Foster is legitimately good.  Westicles may become a solid player but, on a more balanced/experienced team, shouldn't be seeing the floor all that often yet.  Really interested to see Thomas play.

Also, enjoyed "Tip of the Cat"

[_33]

Remember the OOD during the Frank era?  Remember ending the streak?  Remember College Gameday?  Remember not losing in the first round of the tourney?  Remember Elite 8?  Remember being mentioned on national sports broadcasts because we had an identity as a team?

That's all gone.

[_33]

What just happened?

[Dr Rick Daris]

the point that should be taken from dax's numbers is that the freshman should leave now before oscar coaches them for a year and a half and they start to turn in to shitty basketball players. thanks for the numbers, dude. 

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Frank recruited 1 tool players and tried to cobble them together into a team.  The only guy he recruited who could dribble, pass, shoot and rebound appears to have been Shane, and Shane couldn't do half of those things until oscar got here.

Franks recruiting and development of front court players was a fireable offense in and of itself.

[wetwillie]

Frank recruited 1 tool players and tried to cobble them together into a team.  The only guy he recruited who could dribble, pass, shoot and rebound appears to have been Shane, and Shane couldn't do half of those things until oscar got here.

Franks recruiting and development of front court players was a fireable offense in and of itself.

Beasley,jamar,ck, JO all developed nicely with Frank.  Maybe you are still upset about freddy asprilla and wally judge?

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Frank recruited 1 tool players and tried to cobble them together into a team.  The only guy he recruited who could dribble, pass, shoot and rebound appears to have been Shane, and Shane couldn't do half of those things until oscar got here.

Franks recruiting and development of front court players was a fireable offense in and of itself.

Beasley,jamar,ck, JO all developed nicely with Frank.  Maybe you are still upset about freddy asprilla and wally judge?

Huggs recruited beas and jamar, ck was a 5 star transfer, Jo was worthless outside of a few streaks of competence.

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

So even if you give frank credit for developing ck and pretend like JO wasnt a complete abortion most nights, that's two forwards in 5 years.  Just pathetic

[1863]

Frank's teams were fun to watch and there was actual excitement around the program that was gone for a long time. Regardless of the numbers for either coach.

Now...