If John Currie Makes K-State Relevant In Football Long Term...

[meow meow]

football is dead when Snyder is gone.  but I am glad we'll have nice stuff.

Gfy

[Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)]

Nice huskerillustrated phogtuck thread topic 'teve 'ave.

 Were on our third decade of "relevance", thank you very much.  If three decades isn't "long term" then eff.

[eastcat]

I think the notion that you have to choose between success in basketball and football is incredibly idiotic.

Totally agree.

And looking at this like a business football is most important. But having a successful basketball program can bring in a significant amount of money in revenue, as well as be important in intangible ways- alumni $, recruiting, etc. KU football looses their school $5 million a year, but because of basketball and alumni they manage to make some pocket change.

You have to want to diversify your programs. Those schools that hang their hat only on football and aren't Alabama, UT, OSU, or Oklahoma really hurt $ when their football team doesn't perform. And by the way of those 4 teams mentioned, 3 have good basketball teams.

It shouldn't be that hard to put together a good basketball team. More games & more cupcakes should easily yield a high win %. All you have to do is recruit about 7 good players (not even that many a year) and coach them.

As the CEO of the athletics Currie is doing well right now. Last season all departments outperformed expectations. But one of the department heads looks like he will not be able to deliver. He needs to fix that, otherwise there is less wiggle room in the other departments for failure.

You should calculate the standard deviations of the individual departments along with the Beta of the program as a whole so we can see how they measure up with each other and rival 'departments' in college athletics. Probably want to compare with the Kansas index, the B12 index and the D1 FBS index. Might as well figure out the alpha too, so we know if we're meeting preseason expectations or if we need to lower the outlook..   

[Stevesie60]

I understand why Currie will ignore basketball in lieu of football, but I'm not okay with it. It is incredibly lazy to hire a "yes man" as a coach. Your job as AD is to make the fans happy, and the best way to do that is to invest in all money making sports so that the teams will be good and the fans will enjoy it, and therefore put more money back into it. I absolutely hate that our players have to play in front of small crowds, but it's Currie's fault and no one else's. He knows what he did, and he knew at the time that this was not the best coach available that was willing to come to K-State.

[EMAWmeister]

I understand why Currie will ignore basketball in lieu of football, but I'm not okay with it. It is incredibly lazy to hire a "yes man" as a coach. Your job as AD is to make the fans happy, and the best way to do that is to invest in all money making sports so that the teams will be good and the fans will enjoy it, and therefore put more money back into it. I absolutely hate that our players have to play in front of small crowds, but it's Currie's fault and no one else's. He knows what he did, and he knew at the time that this was not the best coach available that was willing to come to K-State.

It makes me so sad that guys like Marcus Foster and Westicles have to play in front of no one.

[8manpick]

I will only continue caring about ksu sports long term if we are competitive in basketball. I can last a few years of football only, but not forever.

[WillieWatanabe]

i think Currie actually thought Weber was a good hire...or best available with his criteria.  If he could actually recruit or have a staff that could recruit...i could stand his bball for being badass in football.

[Cire]

Our AD basically ran off the most successful coach we've had in however long.  When Frank jumped ship, of course there weren't any good options out there.

[Cire]

or,

Our AD picked 2 years of Will Spradling over the most successful bball coach we've had in however long.

[slobber]

There are some really good posts in here, but y-l_a's poop mouth post is the best and most on point. Mods, change sd's name poop dave.


Gonna win 'em all!

[#LIFE]

or,

Our AD picked 2 years of Will Spradling over the most successful bball coach we've had in however long.

I was thinking about this the other day.  Instead of getting to watch Frank and Angel this year we are stuck with a worthless fp running the point 

[kslim]

I understand why Currie will ignore basketball in lieu of football, but I'm not okay with it. It is incredibly lazy to hire a "yes man" as a coach. Your job as AD is to make the fans happy, and the best way to do that is to invest in all money making sports so that the teams will be good and the fans will enjoy it, and therefore put more money back into it. I absolutely hate that our players have to play in front of small crowds, but it's Currie's fault and no one else's. He knows what he did, and he knew at the time that this was not the best coach available that was willing to come to K-State.

our tuck fan base loved the weber hire and there are a crap load more tucks than non tucks so by your definition he probably thinks he did a good job

[TownieCat]

I understand why Currie will ignore basketball in lieu of football, but I'm not okay with it. It is incredibly lazy to hire a "yes man" as a coach. Your job as AD is to make the fans happy, and the best way to do that is to invest in all money making sports so that the teams will be good and the fans will enjoy it, and therefore put more money back into it. I absolutely hate that our players have to play in front of small crowds, but it's Currie's fault and no one else's. He knows what he did, and he knew at the time that this was not the best coach available that was willing to come to K-State.

our tuck fan base loved the weber hire and there are a crap load more tucks than non tucks so by your definition he probably thinks he did a good job

Both tucks and non-tucks are not attending the games though. Wednesday's crowd was about as bad as I've seen post-Wooly. There were were about 4000-4500 people there, tops.

[kso_FAN]

There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.

The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.

[Trogdor]

There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.

The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.

Probably would not have expanded BSFS w/o him, or given out bacon at a WBB game.

[sunny_cat]

There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.

The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.

Probably would not have expanded BSFS w/o him, or given out bacon at a WBB game.

Pretty sure he had nothing (or little) to do with the bacon.

[scottwildcat]

There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.

The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.

Probably would not have expanded BSFS w/o him, or given out bacon at a WBB game.

Pretty sure he had nothing (or little) to do with the bacon.

He didn't even know about the bacon until someone from a radio show tried to call him to get a comment.

[kostakio]

I didn't like the Weber hire but he's doing the right things with football.  Obviously the hire to replace Snyder is going to be key.  So far he's putting the right things in place to help him bring in a quality replacement. 

It doesn't have to be football only but I think success is football is most important and will help the entire athletic department.  Football is going to drive the bus for KSU and 90% of BCS schools.  KU is unique in that bball is tops, but look what that does to the football program.  It's much much easier to be good at both when football is your main sport and nearly impossible to do consistently when bball is most important.   

[CNS]

There are plenty of tucks that didn't like the Weber hire and still aren't on fully on board. I'm not sure with his personality that will ever happen, but if he manages to win games and make NCAAs he'll be fine.

The fiasco with Frank followed by hiring Weber is clearly the knock on Currie right now (and it should be), but he's done a lot of other things really well.

I agree.  However, what I find amusing in a KITN way is that he wouldn't have gotten the BTF built if it wasn't for the coach he so eagerly ran off.

[ben ji]

I didn't like the Weber hire but he's doing the right things with football.  Obviously the hire to replace Snyder is going to be key.  So far he's putting the right things in place to help him bring in a quality replacement. 

It doesn't have to be football only but I think success is football is most important and will help the entire athletic department.  Football is going to drive the bus for KSU and 90% of BCS schools.  KU is unique in that bball is tops, but look what that does to the football program.  It's much much easier to be good at both when football is your main sport and nearly impossible to do consistently when bball is most important.   

Excellent point. A great bball program can make money and support itself at an elite level but there is nothing left over for fball. 

A great fball team can support itself AND have money left over to invest in a bball.

[CNS]

The AD is built to support all the sports, not just Football.  Football doesn't take up all of it's available attention.  If you leave a rev source unattended, well that is just stupid.  Even worse when you have a rev source running on all cylinders and abandon it. 

It seems that all of you FB only guys are agreeing that our AD is stupid and lazy and leaving money on the table.

[Belvis Noland]

The AD is built to support all the sports, not just Football.  Football doesn't take up all of it's available attention.  If you leave a rev source unattended, well that is just stupid.  Even worse when you have a rev source running on all cylinders and abandon it. 

It seems that all of you FB only guys are agreeing that our AD is stupid and lazy and leaving money on the table.

Fundraising, tho.  Yeah, he should support all sports.  And I'm sure he does.  But, logically, he has to prioritize sports in terms of fundraising.  As they say, you don't want to go to the well once too often.  We've got money to be spent on facilities/coaches/advertising, etc. and it would appear that basketball will, necessarily, take a back seat for the foreseeable future if this Vanier2.0 jazz is legit.   

[CNS]

The AD is built to support all the sports, not just Football.  Football doesn't take up all of it's available attention.  If you leave a rev source unattended, well that is just stupid.  Even worse when you have a rev source running on all cylinders and abandon it. 

It seems that all of you FB only guys are agreeing that our AD is stupid and lazy and leaving money on the table.

Fundraising, tho.  Yeah, he should support all sports.  And I'm sure he does.  But, logically, he has to prioritize sports in terms of fundraising.  As they say, you don't want to go to the well once too often.  We've got money to be spent on facilities/coaches/advertising, etc. and it would appear that basketball will, necessarily, take a back seat for the foreseeable future if this Vanier2.0 jazz is legit.   

Fully get that.  however, and this may surprise some ppl, there are ppl like me that gladly donated to the cause and directed our money at Basketball.  For the second year in a row now, I haven't donated anything to the AD because they aren't providing the product I want.   I am assuming that I am not the only person that does this.  I don't think it is as straight forward as you describe.

[eastcat]

This sounds like the phog "Baksetball blah blah blah  "

eff that, Build me a dope ass football stadium and pay the coaches in it barrels of cash. KU didn't have any options in realignment because of football.

[MakeItRain]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

Who were the other names?

Jamie Dixon and Sean Miller