If John Currie Makes K-State Relevant In Football Long Term...

[Rage Against the McKee]

The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.

is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two?  that's the question.

What if oscar was "trying his best" ?  I mean why would he not hire the best BB coach he can?  What's the incremental increase in effort and expense to get someone good?  I doubt it's less than the potential (in our case, realized) dumpster fire of hiring someone that sucks.

Brad would have taken the job for less than we are paying oscar and would have been more successful.

[Emo EMAW]

The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.

is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two?  that's the question.

What if oscar was "trying his best" ?  I mean why would he not hire the best BB coach he can?  What's the incremental increase in effort and expense to get someone good?  I doubt it's less than the potential (in our case, realized) dumpster fire of hiring someone that sucks.

Brad would have taken the job for less than we are paying oscar and would have been more successful.

Ya, by no way am I advocating for Currie.  I don't trust him to make a football hire based on his bball hire.  I agree with sd's sentiment but the "if" in his original post is a big rough ridin' if.

[KITNfury]

gonna be a hell of a lot easier to hire a coach when we win it all next year

Who wouldn't want to takeover for a guy with his name on the stadium and a statue after he wins it all

I don't think this thought carries as much weight as people like to believe.

[wetwillie]

gonna be a hell of a lot easier to hire a coach when we win it all next year

Who wouldn't want to takeover for a guy with his name on the stadium and a statue after he wins it all

I don't think this thought carries as much weight as people like to believe.

Yea it was more tongue in cheek, it will only scare away unconfident losers.  I think the roster he leaves might be a bigger issue.

[Rage Against the McKee]

The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.

is he smart enough to realize the relative importance of the two?  that's the question.

What if oscar was "trying his best" ?  I mean why would he not hire the best BB coach he can?  What's the incremental increase in effort and expense to get someone good?  I doubt it's less than the potential (in our case, realized) dumpster fire of hiring someone that sucks.

Brad would have taken the job for less than we are paying oscar and would have been more successful.

Ya, by no way am I advocating for Currie.  I don't trust him to make a football hire based on his bball hire.  I agree with sd's sentiment but the "if" in his original post is a big rough ridin' if.

My post was supportive, not argumentative. 

Currie should stick to fundraising and just let The Animal find our next football coach.

[BIG APPLE CAT]

titletown notwithstanding, why is it we can't be elite in both?  Like, what is it that the ADs at places like Florida, Michigan State, Ohio State...what do they do to effectively multitask on both football and basketball?  Are we just not bribing our players with cash and women to the necessary extent?

[Bqqkie Pimp]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

[Emo EMAW]

Man, I've gotta think filling the seats in Bram would make for a financially stronger Athletic Department.

[Dugout DickStone]

gonna be a hell of a lot easier to hire a coach when we win it all next year

Who wouldn't want to takeover for a guy with his name on the stadium and a statue after he wins it all

Who would want to takeover a team that wins 10 games almost every year, is in a very winnable conf, owns the state its in, has over $100 million in absolutely brand new facilities that all are first rate, has an AD who has shown he will spray feces all over basketball to keep it quiet and a pretty solid fan base that doesn't insist on winning a conf every year? For $3 million a year?

I'd be surprised if we could get anyone to even interview.

[CNS]

Throwing financial logic and reason out the window for means of this post, I would gladly never have heard the name snyder if it meant we could be really good at bb consistently.  The heart wants what the heart wants.

All right, logic back in place from this point forward: football full steam ahead.

[Dugout DickStone]

Throwing financial logic and reason out the window for means of this post, I would gladly never have heard the name snyder if it meant we could be really good at bb consistently.  The heart wants what the heart wants.

All right, logic back in place from this point forward: football full steam ahead.

I always knew there was something just a little bit off with you

[Mr Bread]

Throwing financial logic and reason out the window for means of this post, I would gladly never have heard the name snyder if it meant we could be really good at bb consistently.  The heart wants what the heart wants.

All right, logic back in place from this point forward: football full steam ahead.

I always knew there was something just a little bit off with you

squak

[michigancat]

Man, I've gotta think filling the seats in Bram would make for a financially stronger Athletic Department.

Yeah, and it's not like we're getting a bargain with oscar.

[Panjandrum]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

I believed this 100%.  Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank.  Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.

I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything.  oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.

I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.

Want a job in the SEC?  Knock it out of the park in football.  Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*

*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...

[Cartierfor3]

No deal. Both are important to me. 

[CNS]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

Who were the other names?

[Katpappy]

I'm sure he'll do good at hiring a great FB coach.  Look at all the coaches who get fired every year, plenty to choose from. 

[Rams]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

I believed this 100%.  Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank.  Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.

I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything.  oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.

I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.

Want a job in the SEC?  Knock it out of the park in football.  Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*

*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...

I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach.  I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football.  it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.

it would be different if we had absolutely no basketball tradition and had always been shitty.  I think what currie failed to factor in is that a lot of the current large donors were in college when we were an elite basketball school and they won't settle for an embarrassing basketball program, regardless of how good football is.  he's simply not going to be able to get away with having a shiny new btf and letting a shitty coach run the program into the ground year after year...particularly when we're swimming in money and have the means to hire a top tier coach.

[Katpappy]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

I believed this 100%.  Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank.  Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.

I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything.  oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.

I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.

Want a job in the SEC?  Knock it out of the park in football.  Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*

*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...

I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach.  I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football.  it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.

it would be different if we had absolutely no basketball tradition and had always been shitty.  I think what currie failed to factor in is that a lot of the current large donors were in college when we were an elite basketball school and they won't settle for an embarrassing basketball program, regardless of how good football is.  he's simply not going to be able to get away with having a shiny new btf and letting a shitty coach run the program into the ground year after year...particularly when we're swimming in money and have the means to hire a top tier coach.

Where did the money come from; in case you don't know...FOOTBALL, DUMBASS. 

[CNS]

If currie hired oscar to be someone that wouldn't suck too bad and wouldn't ask for anything and wouldn't get in troubs, then Currie is lazy at best.

We had a lot of momentum with fans and revenue.  To try to simply cruise control that is dumb.  Its not like fb was hurting or needing attention.

[Emo EMAW]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

I believed this 100%.  Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank.  Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.

I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything.  oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.

I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.

Want a job in the SEC?  Knock it out of the park in football.  Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*

*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...

I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach.  I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football.  it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.

it would be different if we had absolutely no basketball tradition and had always been shitty.  I think what currie failed to factor in is that a lot of the current large donors were in college when we were an elite basketball school and they won't settle for an embarrassing basketball program, regardless of how good football is.  he's simply not going to be able to get away with having a shiny new btf and letting a shitty coach run the program into the ground year after year...particularly when we're swimming in money and have the means to hire a top tier coach.

Where did the money come from; in case you don't know...FOOTBALL, DUMBASS. 

Basketball is profitable though.  A shitty program is leaving money on the table.

[yoga-like_abana]

Steve dave, why did you say that? Why? Why, Steve dave, why?
You come out with stink like that. Poop! You poop mouth. Get all that poop out of your mouth.

I don't think you mean this at all..
do you remember.. "OH! HE'S IN SHAPE!!" Do you!?
do you remember.. Michael beasley and bill walker youtube videos? DO YOU!?
do you remember.. Denis clemente floaters?! DO YOU!!?1
you think about what you just said poop mouth.. we are k-state and we can have both, we deserve both

[Rams]

If currie hired oscar to be someone that wouldn't suck too bad and wouldn't ask for anything and wouldn't get in troubs, then Currie is lazy at best.

We had a lot of momentum with fans and revenue.  To try to simply cruise control that is dumb.  Its not like fb was hurting or needing attention.

yes, it was/is probably lazy, but I don't think he was trying to put it on cruise control to give football attention.  I think he was doing it so he could focus on raising money and building facilities.  frank was probably making him nervous and demanding a lot of attention (not to mention questioning him publicly) and it was hindering his time and ability to raise money.  you have to also assume that he was getting a lot pressure to make a change from the old money that was growing weary of frank's schtick.  I still don't disagree with his decision to get rid of frank, he just botched the hire in a incomprehensible way by focusing on finding an anti-frank.  we had a good core group of players coming back and a fancy new btf to recruit with and he just completely rough ridin' phoned it in.

[Katpappy]

Just had a VERY similar convo last night with a significant booster after discussing what's going on regarding Vanier renovations...

There were a couple of names that CONTACTED US for the open basketball position that Currie simply refused to give serious consideration to.  The thought is that he wanted a "meek, yes man" for basketball and having cut his teeth in the SEC, realizes that football is the tail that wags the dog.  Thus, is willing to let hoops take somewhat of a backseat while we make sure that the cash cow (football) is well fed.

 

I believed this 100%.  Currie thinks he has bigger fish to fry after going through realignment (i.e. need football to be good), and he was spending too much time, effort, and (eventually) money on Frank.  Not that I feel this is right or wrong; it just was what it was.

I think that's why he essentially gave oscar Frank's contract and just washed his hands of everything.  oscar was his perfect hire: clean, boring, willing to work for cheap, and someone you can just ignore while you focus on raising money and building crap.

I don't necessarily believe that he'll hire a great football coach, but I think he will be much more diligent, consult with better people, and be willing to spend way more money because he knows the importance of it to our university AND his career.

Want a job in the SEC?  Knock it out of the park in football.  Basketball is a luxury and should be treated as such.*

*Not that I agree with this assessment, but look at how they treat most basketball programs down there...

I generally agree with all of this, but I don't think even currie knew exactly how shitty oscar was going to be as a coach.  I think he imagined that with the btf, he would be able to recruit better and he's a decent enough x's an o's coach to at least be a bubble team every year, and that would be good enough for the fans as long as we had continued success in football.  it seems the crap might be about to hit the fan if this bball team is as bad as it appears.

it would be different if we had absolutely no basketball tradition and had always been shitty.  I think what currie failed to factor in is that a lot of the current large donors were in college when we were an elite basketball school and they won't settle for an embarrassing basketball program, regardless of how good football is.  he's simply not going to be able to get away with having a shiny new btf and letting a shitty coach run the program into the ground year after year...particularly when we're swimming in money and have the means to hire a top tier coach.

Where did the money come from; in case you don't know...FOOTBALL, DUMBASS. 

Basketball is profitable though.  A shitty program is leaving money on the table.

Huggs cost us 5 mill, but made us 15 mill the very first year we hired him.  Not sure what Frank gave us, but is had to be a few mill.

[Mikeyis4dcats]

The problem is the way he handled basketball makes me question his ability to handle football.

I bet he narrows in on a recently fired head coach

KSU announces the hiring of Paul Rhoads after an extensive search.   Rhoads was interviewed at an airport motel in Dallas.