UnBEARable; NoCo ADV Stats

[KST8FAN]

Also, oscar opening statement comparing it to the NDSU fball loss.  It is a good comparo, kind of, but still, woof.  CYA move imo.

If coach is making the comparisons to football then we should expect similar improvement during the season along with a Texas Tech equivalent (road victory over ranked opponent) at some point during the season?


Tom

[AndrewVonLintel]

UNC Senior Forward Derrick Barden
On the win…
“It meant a lot. It gave us confidence. Coach said it was not going to be easy, like in scrimmages. We had a few turnovers in the first half, and in the second half we came out and punched them in the face.”

 


http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110913aad.html

[Cire]

Im certain that oscar got two for flinching every time.

[kso_FAN]

UNC Senior Forward Derrick Barden
On the win…
“It meant a lot. It gave us confidence. Coach said it was not going to be easy, like in scrimmages. We had a few turnovers in the first half, and in the second half we came out and punched them in the face.”

 


http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110913aad.html

Honestly, this was my biggest fear of oscar, and unfortunately its manifesting itself already with this team. My hope was that Lowry brought some toughness that oscar didn't have (when Lowry had good teams at SIU I thought they were very tough teams). When you have a team that doesn't have the greatest talent, you better have the ability to play with great energy and intensity, which is usually combined with toughness. If anything that was what we became accustomed to as K-State basketball fans, and Friday nights game saw little of that. To me the lackluster performance that Nino Williams put together characterized this fully, and unfortunately while I think they played hard, when I think of Will and Shane that's not what I think of either. My slim glimmer of hope is that Gip brings that and hopefully if he's on the floor it can carry over, but the first real performance from this team was extremely discouraging to me because of that clear lack of intensity, effort, and toughness that K-State basketball has to have to be successful.

[Cire]

also our guys are scrawny.  or maybe I was just used to Frank wanting his guys to look like fb players.

[yoman]

also our guys are scrawny.  or maybe I was just used to Frank wanting his guys to look like fb players.

Still, that isn't necessarily a bad thing (looking like football players). Teams likely had some anxiety playing prior KSU teams because they knew that win or lose, they would get physically mauled. That can throw people off their game. Probably not any huge edge, but teams with limited talent (like this year's team) can use any edge they can get.

[kostakio]

Last year there was still that "residue of toughness" leftover from Frank.  I think we saw for the first time Friday what things are going to fully look like under oscar.  Not to brag but when oscar was hired I predicted things would go well in year one because of it would be a good blend of styles.  I think oscar does a good job coaching certain things but toughness isn't one of them and it's hard to win here without that.   

[sys]

i guess you could point to the rebounding as a toughness thing (but i think it's more about having good rebounders), but they mostly lost because they couldn't shoot for crap.

[Skipper44]

the success of teams that aren't tough will usually be determined by shooting since they won't be able to make up for it with rebounding or D or getting to the line.  I mean, people say Weber is "good at Xs and Os" but his record says he is a system coach that is closer to just rolling the ball out there hoping we shoot 40% from 3.

[SleepFighter]

You have to be pretty super tough to overcome an eFG of 35%.

[pissclams]

I know its been discussed enough, but this team will struggle as long as Will is at PG. I saw too many years of game management PG play, and that's what we have with Will. I don't know what the answer is there; perhaps stretches of Shane mixed with Johnson, but I'm not sure that's much better.

Shane doesn't look comfortable at all with a primary role; as a secondary player last year he looked loose and free, but last night he was continually tight. He is our best passer right now (and its not close), but he's got to hit shots.

Nino's play was unbearable. Maybe the best thing he did all night was hit a couple mid range jumpers, but he can't play 25 minutes and only have 3 boards. He made his way last year by being our scrappy undersized bench player, but NC's scrappy players were constantly beating him to loose balls and boards.

Omari is a very limited player that will occasionally have a nice bench game, that's just his ceiling.

Johnson did what he could banging, but he's limited finishing around the rim and 36 minutes is just way too many for him.

Foster has potential, but in his first game he was forced to take more shots than anyone on the floor. He's not ready to be a guy that carries this team, and if he has to the team will struggle. I think he could potentially be a really good player, but we'll see.

Westicles reminded me a bit of a young Tim Ellis, and had nice numbers. He can be a really good rebounder, runs the floor well, but his defense was lacking at times plus thicker Big 12 players will give him troubles.

Johnson can give spot minutes and I think he's athletic enough to be more than a game manager at PG, but he's got a ways to go.

And Jack... Maybe a role player as a SR? Ivan Sulic comes to mind as a comparo, that's not a good thing.

An undersized team with no real point guard. I mean I knew it, but man...

thomas will help the team.  we need will off the ball.