UnBEARable; NoCo ADV Stats

[kso_FAN]

1st   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   34   0.84   34.4%   8.7%   25.0%   50.0%
Opp   34   0.70   32.7%   29.0%   27.8%   34.6%

2nd   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   31   0.94   37.0%   19.5%   37.5%   63.0%
Opp   31   1.17   53.8%   16.2%   42.1%   61.5%

Total   Pace   PPP   eFG%   TO%   OR%   FTR
KSU   66   0.88   35.6%   13.7%   30.8%   55.9%
Opp   66   0.91   43.3%   22.8%   35.1%   48.1%

December 19th, 2001. Western Carolina 66 - KSU 64.

When I think of bad home OOC losses, that's the ultimate that comes to mind. Sure, later bad teams like Northwestern and Rutgers came to Manhattan and won, but none topped the Catamounts. I distinctly remember Wooly's team having what seemed like a comfortable 15 point halftime lead, but it all fell apart in the 2nd half. oscar's team didn't even wait that long; what seemed like a solid 29-17 lead with just over 2 minutes left in the first half dissolved to 29-24 at the half. 8 minutes into the 2nd half the Cats lost the lead and would only hold the lead 50 more seconds the rest of the game.

There isn't much good to say about this one. K-State's SR leaders combined to shoot 4-22 from the floor, 2-12 from 3, and when the team needed either to make a play down the stretch, none were found. Nino Williams whose spark on last year's team was from effort and rebounding was inconsistent with both and managed to play 25 minutes and grab 3 boards. And Omari, well...

I liked the look of Foster, but his 3-12/0-6 night just showed that much more is expected of him than he can give. Westicles finished as the leading scorer with a nice line and has some potential. DJamer had the most consistent game of the returners, but struggled to finish around the rim. Gip would've helped considerably, but its hard to say how much.

oscar has a long way to go with this group. Simply a disastrous start for a a team with a system that requires shot making, especially on a night when the shots don't fall to get beat on the boards and despite a nice FT rate can't make half their attempts.

This season could be uglier than I thought, and I wasn't expecting anything great to begin with.

[puniraptor]

sorry for your loss 

[sys]

for me, it is a loss to lamar under altman.  lamar might have been a better team than unc or wcu, but they beat kstate by like 20 or 40 or something.


DJamer had the emptiest stats imaginable tonight.

[BostonPancake]

Ugly.  Already gave my ticket away for ORU.  That was a pile of crap.

[kougar24]

This season could be uglier than I thought, and I wasn't expecting anything great to begin with.

Sooner or later, _F, you'll see things my way.

[Powercat Posse]

Make 16 FTs Miss 17 FTs..... costly all game long.  Shane and Omari had 3 chances at 3 pt plays in 2nd hf and botched the FT.
Sad thing is there is no big (JO or whoever to take most of the blame).  Our guards and forwards = 12-24

Will goes 2-9 on 3pt.  Shane goes 2-8 on 2pt (like FAN said, uhh leaders  )

We take 7 more FGAs and 8 more FTAs (counting 2FTAs as 1 FGA, we were +11 in true shot attempts.)   And still lost

We were up 29-17.  And allowed a 24-8 run over 11-12 minute span.   Pittyful

[star seed 7]

We suck

[nicname]

 

Also, oscar opening statement comparing it to the NDSU fball loss.  It is a good comparo, kind of, but still, woof.  CYA move imo.

[nicname]

A generously listed 6-5 forward had 17 rebounds.  Let that sink in fellas.  17.

[catzacker]

from a bad team standpoint this might take the cake, but that 93-52 loss to UMKC in '03 (I think?) was way more embarrassing.  this is why I am glad I am not wasting my time watching this team play. 

On a positive note, Texas Tech smashed Houston Baptist 76-61 behind Tolbert's double/double.

[kso_FAN]

UMKC and Lamar were both worse, but on the road. I was just thinking of games in Bramlage.

[CNS]

The conference games will be humiliating this year.  Just imagine what OSU is going to do to us.  Ford is going to drop 120 on our 50 and won't let up until the refs whistle. 

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[catzacker]

UMKC and Lamar were both worse, but on the road. I was just thinking of games in Bramlage.

yeah.  it's going to be fun to have this kinds of debates moving forward.  I mean, that Nebraska loss at home...but that was conference. 

[BostonPancake]

Also, oscar opening statement comparing it to the NDSU fball loss.  It is a good comparo, kind of, but still, woof.  CYA move imo.

It was a terrible comparison.  North Dakota is at least good at football.  N. Colorado is a middle of the pack big sky team that probably won't even make the tournament.  Pretty pud of him to even try to make that comparison.  All the good feelings from last year's co-championship were cashed out last night.  A few more games like that and even the hardest core tuck will start to turn on him. 

[Bill Clarahan]

At this point there is no leader on this team and the freshmen could be good later , but not good enough for the B12.

I'll continue to laugh at the desperate emails begging for someone to please buy tickets, RIP Currie on this hire.

[yoman]

The conference games will be humiliating this year.  Just imagine what OSU is going to do to us.  Ford is going to drop 120 on our 50 and won't let up until the refs whistle. 

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Good. Let's get this travesty over with, run oscar outta town, and hire Pearl

[kso_FAN]

I know its been discussed enough, but this team will struggle as long as Will is at PG. I saw too many years of game management PG play, and that's what we have with Will. I don't know what the answer is there; perhaps stretches of Shane mixed with Johnson, but I'm not sure that's much better.

Shane doesn't look comfortable at all with a primary role; as a secondary player last year he looked loose and free, but last night he was continually tight. He is our best passer right now (and its not close), but he's got to hit shots.

Nino's play was unbearable. Maybe the best thing he did all night was hit a couple mid range jumpers, but he can't play 25 minutes and only have 3 boards. He made his way last year by being our scrappy undersized bench player, but NC's scrappy players were constantly beating him to loose balls and boards.

Omari is a very limited player that will occasionally have a nice bench game, that's just his ceiling.

Johnson did what he could banging, but he's limited finishing around the rim and 36 minutes is just way too many for him.

Foster has potential, but in his first game he was forced to take more shots than anyone on the floor. He's not ready to be a guy that carries this team, and if he has to the team will struggle. I think he could potentially be a really good player, but we'll see.

Westicles reminded me a bit of a young Tim Ellis, and had nice numbers. He can be a really good rebounder, runs the floor well, but his defense was lacking at times plus thicker Big 12 players will give him troubles.

Johnson can give spot minutes and I think he's athletic enough to be more than a game manager at PG, but he's got a ways to go.

And Jack... Maybe a role player as a SR? Ivan Sulic comes to mind as a comparo, that's not a good thing.

An undersized team with no real point guard. I mean I knew it, but man...

[wetwillie]

oscar just signed an extension bro's he ain't going anywhere.

[IPA4Me]

On a positive note, I'll be able to get cheap tickets during Christmas break. :-/

[Cire]

nino looks soft and out of shape.  he needs greenwalt.

what a shitshow

[Cire]

we're a midmajor team that can't shoot.

[ksupamplemousse]

I mean I knew it, but man...

That's the worst part, having low expectations, and having to seriously reevaluate whether you should lower them even more after one game. We could be decent, theoretically. I just don't see it though.

[sys]

UMKC and Lamar were both worse, but on the road. I was just thinking of games in Bramlage.

oh.  for some reason i remembered lamar as being a home game.

[ChiComCat]

Bad loss at home nominee: Losing an exhibition game to the converse all stars or whatever loser team used to tour in the exhibition season.  Granted it was exhibition, but I think its still worth a mention

[Stevesie60]

Once Gip and Jevon are playing full-time, we may not lose a game.