Unsettled Waters

[420seriouscat69]

I meant to say 2nd qtr instead of 2nd half, but everything else is legit.

[kso_FAN]

He looked good. Missed fired on a few attempts and he got stale in the 2nd half when isu figured out his game. This game was setup perfectly for 2 qb system, mainly cause Rhoads is a dumbass and doesn't know how to adjust. That said, good game for both qb's. that said, SAMs is more exciting to watch. That, and water is wet.

If he wants to take over the position, he makes at least 3 or of those 4 throws to open receivers.

[michigancat]

What does Sams need to do?

[kso_FAN]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

[MakeItRain]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

[kso_FAN]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

I'd guess that is exactly the reason. The package he runs is not as expansive as Waters. The defenses that Sams sees have more defenders in the box and more commitment to stopping the run. Sams still makes a lot of nice plays simply using his skill set.

The first run by Waters was something new, almost like it was blocked like a screen with QB draw action. Very nice play.

[Steffy08]

SAMs is definitely not as fast as last year.  I'm hoping he is still banged up and will return to lightning speed next year.  SAMs, Hubert, and miller all got caught from behind today....lack of speed at RB and wr cost us points.

I personally think the two qb system is here to stay (next year too) and I am fine with it.

[everyone shut up]

SAMs is definitely not as fast as last year.  I'm hoping he is still banged up and will return to lightning speed next year.  SAMs, Hubert, and miller all got caught from behind today....lack of speed at RB and wr cost us points.

I personally think the two qb system is here to stay (next year too) and I am fine with it.

what is the significance of capitalizing SAMs? i keep seeing it, but haven't figured it out.

[puniraptor]

SAMs is definitely not as fast as last year.  I'm hoping he is still banged up and will return to lightning speed next year.  SAMs, Hubert, and miller all got caught from behind today....lack of speed at RB and wr cost us points.

I personally think the two qb system is here to stay (next year too) and I am fine with it.

what is the significance of capitalizing SAMs? i keep seeing it, but haven't figured it out.

Ask Steve Jobs.

[420seriouscat69]

Totally #teamsams, but Thompson beld him out on the 1st half play. TD in the 2nd half was nice, but we need both qb's this season.

[Lefty]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

[0.42]

Totally #teamsams, but Thompson beld him out on the 1st half play. TD in the 2nd half was nice, but we need both qb's this season.

 

[420seriouscat69]

Totally #teamsams, but Thompson beld him out on the 1st half play. TD in the 2nd half was nice, but we need both qb's this season.

 

Don't care. :armscrossedguy:

[puniraptor]

Is that how you pronounce it?

[Lefty]

SAMs is definitely not as fast as last year.  I'm hoping he is still banged up and will return to lightning speed next year.  SAMs, Hubert, and miller all got caught from behind today....lack of speed at RB and wr cost us points.

I personally think the two qb system is here to stay (next year too) and I am fine with it.

Sams is every bit as fast as he was last year. Faster imo. He was banged up every game after the Miami game last year. He's also dealing with the fact that he's under more pressure now to perform, not fumble and 8 defenders in the box.

Hubert and Miller made fantastic plays on each of those. No problem imo they got caught from behind.

[MakeItRain]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

Maybe, I noticed two checks he made today with the results. One play he changed the blocking on a called run and he got 9 yards on the run, there was another play where he either checked into a pass to TLBL or he changed his route; that was also a successful check.

I didn't notice Waters making many changes at the LOS today.

[MakeItRain]

SAMs is definitely not as fast as last year.  I'm hoping he is still banged up and will return to lightning speed next year.  SAMs, Hubert, and miller all got caught from behind today....lack of speed at RB and wr cost us points.

I personally think the two qb system is here to stay (next year too) and I am fine with it.

Sams is every bit as fast as he was last year. Faster imo. He was banged up every game after the Miami game last year. He's also dealing with the fact that he's under more pressure now to perform, not fumble and 8 defenders in the box.

Hubert and Miller made fantastic plays on each of those. No problem imo they got caught from behind.

Yeah Toe made a very nice catch, that throw was poor.

[Frankenklein]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

Maybe, I noticed two checks he made today with the results. One play he changed the blocking on a called run and he got 9 yards on the run, there was another play where he either checked into a pass to TLBL or he changed his route; that was also a successful check.

I didn't notice Waters making many changes at the LOS today.

how do you know that's what was going on? just curious

[bones129]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

Maybe, I noticed two checks he made today with the results. One play he changed the blocking on a called run and he got 9 yards on the run, there was another play where he either checked into a pass to TLBL or he changed his route; that was also a successful check.

I didn't notice Waters making many changes at the LOS today.

how do you know that's what was going on? just curious

Watch the game with a critical eye.

[420seriouscat69]

It was a nice fake to sale the throw tho. Stop over analyzing, Mir. We all love SAMs, but jake play faked the crap out of that play.

[Lefty]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

Maybe, I noticed two checks he made today with the results. One play he changed the blocking on a called run and he got 9 yards on the run, there was another play where he either checked into a pass to TLBL or he changed his route; that was also a successful check.

I didn't notice Waters making many changes at the LOS today.

Yeah Sams did a good job today, i'm more specifically talking the Baylor game and the ULL games. It seemed like there were several plays that Sams made wrong pre snap reads and/or botched timing of play shortly after snap in a very blatant manner (at least to Snyder).

I'm simply trying to get inside Snyder's logic for not playing Sams. Probably digging way too far here.

[Frankenklein]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

Maybe, I noticed two checks he made today with the results. One play he changed the blocking on a called run and he got 9 yards on the run, there was another play where he either checked into a pass to TLBL or he changed his route; that was also a successful check.

I didn't notice Waters making many changes at the LOS today.

how do you know that's what was going on? just curious

Watch the game with a critical eye.

eye see

[MakeItRain]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

Maybe, I noticed two checks he made today with the results. One play he changed the blocking on a called run and he got 9 yards on the run, there was another play where he either checked into a pass to TLBL or he changed his route; that was also a successful check.

I didn't notice Waters making many changes at the LOS today.

how do you know that's what was going on? just curious

How did I know he changed the blocking? An ISU linebacker changed where he was lined up, Sams pointed him out to Gronk and moved Gronk from his left to his right and Gronk blocked the guy, simple stuff.

[bones129]

What does Sams need to do?

Show some more ability to throw down the field. Show more explosiveness as a runner. Do whatever he needs to do for Snyder to trust him more. Sams got his shot vs OSU and Baylor, seems like it's Waters' job to lose again now that Lockett and Thompson are back.

It really wasn't a true shot when he didn't have Lockett or Thompson though. I'm starting to think that either Daniel isn't getting the playbook or the coaches don't have the confidence that he gets it. I can't figure out any other reason why the play calling is so limited when he is in the game.

_Fan and MIR: do you guys notice Sams making major mistakes when checking at the line of scrimmage? I know both QB's have the dummied down check with me to the sidelines, but it also seems like Sams makes really bad pre snap reads. I'm getting the feeling that Sams makes such bad pre snap reads, that Snyder can't trust him in a full game scenario. That's the only reason he's not out there.

Maybe, I noticed two checks he made today with the results. One play he changed the blocking on a called run and he got 9 yards on the run, there was another play where he either checked into a pass to TLBL or he changed his route; that was also a successful check.

I didn't notice Waters making many changes at the LOS today.

how do you know that's what was going on? just curious

How did I know he changed the blocking? An ISU linebacker changed where he was lined up, Sams pointed him out to Gronk and moved Gronk from his left to his right and Gronk blocked the guy, simple stuff.

This. Like I said, watch the game with a critical eye.

[michigancat]

What was the ypp for each qb's snaps today?