Unsettled Waters

[MadCat]

#1cat?minds

[ltrain]

This thread is the perfect example of why this is best K-State sports blog on the planet.

Also, team #ourguy #life

[slobber]

We can all agree on these simple point. KSU would already be bowl eligible if #ourguy would have started and played every snap of every game, except garbage time. TLBL probably wouldn't have gotten concussed if Sams would have been our starter. TTT would have been held in higher regards by the ladies if we were undefeated and he wouldn't have had to make out with a sick bitch at the bars and gotten mono.

[catzacker]

this.  which is why I don't care about the qb spot anymore.  when waters has the majority of snaps we had games we should have won and didn't - same with Sams.  IMO right now, they are both average, at best, qb's on an average, at best, team.

maybe through this year, spring ball, summer workouts and fall camp (and I suspect a few OOC games) we'll get one of them who becomes above average and finally quits rough ridin' up enough to make Bill make a final choice.

Do you just not see the difference in coming up just short against NDSU vs coming up just short against OSU and Baylor? Plus, it's not like Sams was coming into the NDSU game to waste drives on 3 and outs and fumble inside the 10 yard line.

Sams had 2 seasons + spring ball + fall practice all in the program to not come up short any time. 

[sonofdaxjones]

I rewatched the game, and the running game with Sams is laughable.  It's apparent Miller/Dimel/Snyder think we're going to get 8 even 9 guys blocked, and that trifecta is still punch drunk from CKlein, even though towards the end of last season defenses started blowing him up.

[CNS]

The only thing I think we can all agree on with these QB's is that any other year Bill would be rolling all day 'er day with Sams and be shaping the play calling around whatever point of play is not his strength and we would be shredding bitches.

[steve dave]

I rewatched the game, and the running game with Sams is laughable.  It's apparent Miller/Dimel/Snyder think we're going to get 8 even 9 guys blocked, and that trifecta is still punch drunk from CKlein, even though towards the end of last season defenses started blowing him up.

yeah, I'm not really happy with how we've used either guy. our guy is still 5th in the conference in rushing even after considering that and even taking 1/3 of the snaps, tho.

[pissclams]

is 5th in the conference in rushing good or bad?

[steve dave]

is 5th in the conference in rushing good or bad?

well, it's one spot below known super stud james sims (though our guy is averaging almost an entire yard per carry more than sims 5.27-4.42)

[ltrain]

I rewatched the game, and the running game with Sams is laughable.  It's apparent Miller/Dimel/Snyder think we're going to get 8 even 9 guys blocked, and that trifecta is still punch drunk from CKlein, even though towards the end of last season defenses started blowing him up.

yeah, I'm not really happy with how we've used either guy. our guy is still 5th in the conference in rushing even after considering that and even taking 1/3 of the snaps, tho.

Doesn't seem we've run much read option with Sams/Hubert the past couple of games.  Just Sams and Gronk in the backfield on designed QB runs.  I could be wrong though.  Read option seems to be working ok for Waters. #LFBIQ

[michigancat]

Sams ran read option at least twice IIRC.

[pissclams]

another brain buster for you KATS:  is 5th in rushing better than 4th in passing? 

[steve dave]

our guy is 5th in the confy in rushing yards and ypc and 3rd in rushing TDs.

[yoga-like_abana]

is 5th in the conference in rushing good or bad?

a quarterbacks job is to throw the football so no

[catzacker]

For as good as this “ourguy” is, you’d think he’d have zero problem securing the starting qb job.

[steve dave]

For as good as this “ourguy” is, you’d think he’d have zero problem securing the starting qb job.

love this talking point. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN LHC Bill Snyder YOU SON OF A BITCH!

[catzacker]

For as good as this “ourguy” is, you’d think he’d have zero problem securing the starting qb job.

love this talking point. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN LHC Bill Snyder YOU SON OF A BITCH!

that's not the talking point - it's why hasn't a player that's been in the system longer, been playinig major D1 football longer, been a part of the team longer and apparently put's up some nice numbers, not win the starting job?

the reason is that he f's up just as much as the guy who played juco ball and got here in the spring.

[michigancat]

For as good as this “ourguy” is, you’d think he’d have zero problem securing the starting qb job.

love this talking point. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN LHC Bill Snyder YOU SON OF A BITCH!

that's not the talking point - it's why hasn't a player that's been in the system longer, been playinig major D1 football longer, been a part of the team longer and apparently put's up some nice numbers, not win the starting job?

Bill has an unhealthy obsession with passes of 20+ yards in the air, IMO. That's the only thing Waters does better than Sams.

[yoga-like_abana]

For as good as this “ourguy” is, you’d think he’d have zero problem securing the starting qb job.

love this talking point. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN LHC Bill Snyder YOU SON OF A BITCH!

that's not the talking point - it's why hasn't a player that's been in the system longer, been playinig major D1 football longer, been a part of the team longer and apparently put's up some nice numbers, not win the starting job?

the reason is that he f's up just as much as the guy who played juco ball and got here in the spring.

 

[steve dave]

For as good as this “ourguy” is, you’d think he’d have zero problem securing the starting qb job.

love this talking point. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN LHC Bill Snyder YOU SON OF A BITCH!

that's not the talking point - it's why hasn't a player that's been in the system longer, been playinig major D1 football longer, been a part of the team longer and apparently put's up some nice numbers, not win the starting job?

the reason is that he f's up just as much as the guy who played juco ball and got here in the spring.

you can leave out the KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN LHC Bill Snyder and the YOU SON OF A BITCH but by lobbing out the "then why hasn't he won the job" you're saying that he can't be both the better option and not play more snaps. if you want to argue he fucks up as much or more then that's a different argument.

[Lefty]

For as good as this “ourguy” is, you’d think he’d have zero problem securing the starting qb job.

love this talking point. YOU THINK YOU KNOW MORE ABOUT FOOTBALL THAN LHC Bill Snyder YOU SON OF A BITCH!

that's not the talking point - it's why hasn't a player that's been in the system longer, been playinig major D1 football longer, been a part of the team longer and apparently put's up some nice numbers, not win the starting job?

the reason is that he f's up just as much as the guy who played juco ball and got here in the spring.

I'm in this boat 'Zacker. I'm sticking with these:
-poor pre-snap reads on defense
-post snap bad decisions with reading blocks and letting play develop in front of him
-some atrocious downfield throws
-a few bad fumbles
-2 game ending ints
all of these lead to Snyder not trusting Sams, but he has unbelievable talent with the ball in his hands and has the ability to make something out of his mistakes.

[CNS]

Guys, it's dumb when ppl tell you he makes bad reads, bad decisions, bad throws, and can't take care of the ball then turns around and says he can do amazing things with the ball.

This is basically GPC double speak.

[catzacker]

The f’s up is the reason.  Not bill’s obsession with ypa.  Both of the QB’s do.  My argument against Sams is the same argument against Waters.  They both do just enough bad to make the other look like a viable option.  My point about Sams’ tenure relative to Waters only highlights my disappointment in Sams’ inability to take the QB spot.  Maybe my bar is higher for him than Waters – but given their resumes with respect to this program – I think it’s fair.

[yoga-like_abana]

I think its just the aura surrounding k-state. the whole hard work beats talent, in fact they have that crap plastered everywhere..
but the truth is sams is the more talented quarterback and consistently gives us a better chance to win.

[Lefty]

Guys, it's dumb when ppl tell you he makes bad reads, bad decisions, bad throws, and can't take care of the ball then turns around and says he can do amazing things with the ball.

This is basically GPC double speak.

why is that dumb?