Briles > Snyder

[MakeItRain]

http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past

Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?

You are too funny.

You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.

Very Baylor-ly of you.

I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.

I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.

[MakeItRain]

http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past

Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?

You need to find some perspective on this.  The sides are forming their lines, I don't know how this could be any more predictable.

What perspective do I need to find, is there a stance I've taken that I'm unaware of? When this broke it seems everyone, me included, raced to call the guy a liar. It isn't as simple as Briles is lying and Peterson is a holy deity who is telling the truth.

[Stevesie60]

No matter what comes out, Baylor is not going to lose his job. Even if for whatever reason the NCAA said he couldn't recruit for two years (this would never happen) Baylor would not fire him. He's their Snyder.

[bones129]

No matter what comes out, Baylor is not going to lose his job. Even if for whatever reason the NCAA said he couldn't recruit for two years (this would never happen) Baylor would not fire him. He's their Snyder.

True, whether it should be or not. Baylor worships this guy. Still like to know what he knew, and when he knew it, but we'll never find out.

[Trim]

Where was the appropriate place for Ukwuachu after his stint in Boise?

[bones129]

Where was the appropriate place for Ukwuachu after his stint in Boise?

Prison?

[MakeItRain]

Where was the appropriate place for Ukwuachu after his stint in Boise?

That's just it, this Briles vs. Peterson BS is:
1. People not understanding what is happening with the story and others absolutely playing the result.
2. An incredible distraction from what the true story should be here and it's Baylor University completely mishandling everything from the time of the rape to the aftermath of the conviction.

Even if Briles knew everything, everything that could have been known is this:

This isn’t the first violent incident that Ukwuachu has been accused of. In documents from May 2013 obtained by Texas Monthly, Marc Paul, the assistant athletics director at Boise State University, recounts advising to Ukwuachu’s then-girlfriend in Boise that she stay away from the house the two shared for several nights, after he put his fist through a window while drunk. Paul also makes plans for how to get police protection for the couple’s other housemate, who received threatening text messages from Ukwuachu. Handwritten notes in a document from a Boise State source also refer to times that Ukwuachu would get verbally abusive over “small irritants” like a spilled drink, and note that the woman he lived with acknowledged that she would “probably not” admit it if the abuse were physical. It ends with the words “NOT healthy relationship!” underlined.

http://www.texasmonthly.com/article/silence-at-baylor/#sthash.PQO0ikG2.dpuf

So the dude punched through a window and acted like a drunken crap head. They didn't know he hit the girlfriend (she didn't say he hit her until the rape trial so Briles couldn't have known that), he didn't rape anyone. I'm going to guess that at least 95% of college football fans would absolutely take someone as a transfer whose greatest transgression is punching through a window. The talking point that Baylor shouldn't have taken this hardened criminal woman beating rapist is intellectually lazy/inaccurate. His transgressions at Boise State were in no way an indicator that he would rape a woman.

People really need to talk more about Baylor not taking him out of her classes, reducing her scholarship, and despite having a much lighter burden of proof finding that he did nothing wrong.

[Skipper44]

People really need to talk more about Baylor not taking him out of her classes, reducing her scholarship, and despite having a much lighter burden of proof finding that he did nothing wrong.

This could be a large Title IX issue for the AD but I don't know how much leverage the feds have with a private U like Baylor.

I can maybe excuse Briles for not asking too tough a question on why a program like Boise would kick off a Freshman DE that started every game but the first and had 4.5 sacks but I can't see why he kept him on scholarship after the rape indictment.  I mean, Baylor has the pull with the Waco authorities to sweep all the charges under the rug until the Texas Monthly story the week of the trial(!) but when the DA still gets an indictment Art has to realize his is in a no win situation. 

[Pendergast]

Or we could understand that much more knowledge on the situation was exchanged and understood between parties than has been captured in print, as in, literally, every human interaction ever.

And no, I would not take a transfer that was threatening people to the point they were advised to seek a restraining order.  Whatever floats your boat though.

[Trim]

If it was 100% that this guy would assault people he came in contact with, and Baylor rejected him, there'd have been a non-Baylor victim.

[Steffy08]

http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past

Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?

You are too funny.

You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.

Very Baylor-ly of you.

I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.

I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.

You have issues.

I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil.  This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."

[pissclams]

the chip brown letter to ken starr 

[MakeItRain]

Or we could understand that much more knowledge on the situation was exchanged and understood between parties than has been captured in print, as in, literally, every human interaction ever.

And no, I would not take a transfer that was threatening people to the point they were advised to seek a restraining order.  Whatever floats your boat though.

Oh ok. Hey everyone pendergast knows more about the situation than literally everyone who has done the investigating and reporting on the story, grats. Even if there was more information exchanged it isn't going to be something more substantive than what has already been reported. Two powerful men have publicly accused the other of lying, if there was more to be told it likely would have been told at this point.

Also LOL at your high horse about what Ukwuachu did as it relates to who we have/had playing for us. We have a player in the opening video montage that was convicted for beating his wife, I'm guessing you don't care enough to voice an objection to that. Football players are bred to be ultra aggressive, couple that with drinking, and the normal stupid crap that normal 18-22 year old males with not fully developed brains do and of course this stuff will happen often without anyone knowing.

[MakeItRain]

the chip brown letter to ken starr 

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&page=2&p=5136454

[Dr Rick Daris]

pretty disingenuous of chip to talk about how he's a real reporter and then throw out accusations for ten paragraphs and then on top of that share with the world what he emailed starr. none of that screams professional reporter to me.

[pissclams]

the chip brown letter to ken starr 

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&page=2&p=5136454

baylor fans are the worst (i'm posting this after reading the first two responses to that thread)

pretty disingenuous of chip to talk about how he's a real reporter and then throw out accusations for ten paragraphs and then on top of that share with the world what he emailed starr. none of that screams professional reporter to me.

yes but he did do a good job of highlighting the things that MiR is talking about.  maybe chip needs to do a "mash up" letter with mir.

[Pendergast]

Or we could understand that much more knowledge on the situation was exchanged and understood between parties than has been captured in print, as in, literally, every human interaction ever.

And no, I would not take a transfer that was threatening people to the point they were advised to seek a restraining order.  Whatever floats your boat though.

Oh ok. Hey everyone pendergast knows more about the situation than literally everyone who has done the investigating and reporting on the story, grats. Even if there was more information exchanged it isn't going to be something more substantive than what has already been reported. Two powerful men have publicly accused the other of lying, if there was more to be told it likely would have been told at this point.

Also LOL at your high horse about what Ukwuachu did as it relates to who we have/had playing for us. We have a player in the opening video montage that was convicted for beating his wife, I'm guessing you don't care enough to voice an objection to that. Football players are bred to be ultra aggressive, couple that with drinking, and the normal stupid crap that normal 18-22 year old males with not fully developed brains do and of course this stuff will happen often without anyone knowing.

Guess that one slipped by me.  You know when Bill asks me for his approval of recruits and advice on discipline I'll pay closer attention next time.  I'm a firm supporter of wife beating though, lets off steam and keeps them in the kitchen.  I tell you what.

[MakeItRain]

the chip brown letter to ken starr 

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&page=2&p=5136454

baylor fans are the worst (i'm posting this after reading the first two responses to that thread)

pretty disingenuous of chip to talk about how he's a real reporter and then throw out accusations for ten paragraphs and then on top of that share with the world what he emailed starr. none of that screams professional reporter to me.

yes but he did do a good job of highlighting the things that MiR is talking about.  maybe chip needs to do a "mash up" letter with mir.

Chip should not have framed this as a letter he was legitimately seeking answers to and then publish it as a column, it can't be both.

Also as far as horrible Baylor fans go, enjoy

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Question for Chip Brown...why did the victim get in SU's car when he had been acting aggressive? Why was she putting herself in a bad situation by sleeping in the aggressor's bed? Of course, it sucks this happened to her, but these are just a couple questions I'd like answered. Perhaps this situation should be a case study in Freshman 101 so girls reduce the chances of getting in these situations...it's happening far too often.
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[#LIFE]

#RapistsLivesMatter

[pissclams]

if chip brown had better constructed his letter to ken starr, this innocent woman probably wouldn't have been raped (assuming she didn't do a bunch of things that precipitated her rape, which we know she did).

[meow meow]

http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past

Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?

You are too funny.

You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.

Very Baylor-ly of you.

I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.

I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.

You have issues.

I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil.  This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."

you keep alluding that you have some sort of info on Briles, but, you don't know crap

[Dr Rick Daris]

the chip brown letter to ken starr 

http://www.baylorfans.com/forums/showthread.php?t=294601&page=2&p=5136454

baylor fans are the worst (i'm posting this after reading the first two responses to that thread)

pretty disingenuous of chip to talk about how he's a real reporter and then throw out accusations for ten paragraphs and then on top of that share with the world what he emailed starr. none of that screams professional reporter to me.

yes but he did do a good job of highlighting the things that MiR is talking about.  maybe chip needs to do a "mash up" letter with mir.

Chip should not have framed this as a letter he was legitimately seeking answers to and then publish it as a column, it can't be both.

Also as far as horrible Baylor fans go, enjoy

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Question for Chip Brown...why did the victim get in SU's car when he had been acting aggressive? Why was she putting herself in a bad situation by sleeping in the aggressor's bed? Of course, it sucks this happened to her, but these are just a couple questions I'd like answered. Perhaps this situation should be a case study in Freshman 101 so girls reduce the chances of getting in these situations...it's happening far too often.
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stuff like that is pretty frustrating to read. but as a now middle aged adult, i've come to the conclusion that roughly 50% of other adults are complete effing idiots. if i was a parent/friend/sibling/acquaintance of that girl i would be livid and out for baylor blood.

[deputy dawg]

Briles position =

[Steffy08]

http://es.sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf-dr-saturday/sam-ukwuachu-s-hs-coach-backs-up-what-art-briles-knew-about-player-s-past-230241843.html
Sam Ukwuachu’s HS coach backs up what Art Briles knew about player’s past

Anyone willing to walk back the Art Briles is lying scum rhetoric?

You are too funny.

You've had every chance to jump, but it seems you are determined to go down with this sinking ship.

Very Baylor-ly of you.

I'm going to enjoy watching it happen to Briles, Baylor, and you.

I'm still waiting for your stupid ass to post a link of me saying anything about Briles' character other than me calling him a liar. Your meltdown is because I had a one line post mentioning that Briles was adorable on a rough ridin' television show. Produce the link of me calling a dumb rough ridin' football coach a good man, contribute to the actual conversation happening, or just shut the eff up, freak.

You have issues.

I tried to tell you Briles was scary evil.  This is just the tip of the iceberg.

Don't be mad at me that you got duped (and still are, apparently) by his superficial southern "charm."

you keep alluding that you have some sort of info on Briles, but, you don't know crap

I don't have any inside info on Briles.

My impression is based on what is readily observable to anyone:
1. the way his players act on the field
2. the sudden success at recruiting....at Baylor
3. the history of Baylor and its lack of institutional control
4. the fact that Baylor and Briles seem like a perfect fit for each other
5. the fact that Briles accepts kids that schools like Boise State and Penn. State (Pedo State!) have determined are unacceptable
6. the egotistical, phony way in which Briles interacts with the media
7. the entire culture he has created that is observable to anyone watching (see #1, flashy uniforms, the way his assistants act on the sidelines, etc.)
8. the consistent allegations that he was very crooked at Stephenville and was complicit in rampant steroid abuse
9. the fact that Gary Patterson (post-game) has all but said that Briles and Baylor were cheating at recruiting
10. the fact that Texas passed on Briles when they had the chance to hire him
(recently)11. the fact that Peterson would unnecessarily stick his nose into a situation and claim that he warned Briles about the rapist
(recently) 12. the fact that neither Starr nor McCall have said anything remotely resembling a vote of confidence for Briles

The rape stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.....not inside information, just a prediction based on what I can observe.  If Briles manages to coach another five years (which will only be possible by avoiding scandal) I will admit that I was wrong.  (It ain't going to happen, though.  I will predict two years, max.)

[GoodForAnother]

it speaks to Briles coaching ability that anyone gives a crap about this

he and Baylor are no more evil that every other program (Bill recruited a murderer) but people are up in arms because everyone hates Baylor