Why doesn't LHC Bill Snyder like points?

[kso_FAN]

Not taking the 3 on the first drive just goes against old time HFIQ and Snyder should be ashamed

Respect for Baylor/lack of trust in his defense. I just miss having the 230 pound quarterback who got those every time.

Any thoughts on having Gronk take the handoff if Waters is in the game on 4th down?

Gronk is not exactly a physical player/runner yet.

['taterblast]

hindsight is 20/20, a friend told me that one time

[Rage Against the McKee]

I thought not going for it late in the 4th was the worse decision.  I know you should take points to tie, but we don't have a big legged, reliable kicker, and Sams was running at will.  We were a huge home dog with all the momentum: play to win just like you did the rest of the game.

I disagree. Unless it is late enough in the game that you know 3 points isn't enough, you should always kick the field goal if you are in field goal range and it is 4th down. I don't mind going on 4th around midfield when the only other option is punting, but there is no excuse for getting 0 points when your offense gets in field goal range.

[Trogdor]

I thought not going for it late in the 4th was the worse decision.  I know you should take points to tie, but we don't have a big legged, reliable kicker, and Sams was running at will.  We were a huge home dog with all the momentum: play to win just like you did the rest of the game.

I disagree. Unless it is late enough in the game that you know 3 points isn't enough, you should always kick the field goal if you are in field goal range and it is 4th down. I don't mind going on 4th around midfield when the only other option is punting, but there is no excuse for getting 0 points when your offense gets in field goal range.

In the position that we were in, it was 4th and 1. Only down by 3 and deep in Baylor territory and getting pretty late in the game. Even if they had not converted, the field position would have been pretty sweet for our defense to take.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I thought not going for it late in the 4th was the worse decision.  I know you should take points to tie, but we don't have a big legged, reliable kicker, and Sams was running at will.  We were a huge home dog with all the momentum: play to win just like you did the rest of the game.

I disagree. Unless it is late enough in the game that you know 3 points isn't enough, you should always kick the field goal if you are in field goal range and it is 4th down. I don't mind going on 4th around midfield when the only other option is punting, but there is no excuse for getting 0 points when your offense gets in field goal range.

In the position that we were in, it was 4th and 1. Only down by 3 and deep in Baylor territory and getting pretty late in the game. Even if they had not converted, the field position would have been pretty sweet for our defense to take.

You seriously wouldn't take a tie at home when the risk is almost certainly losing the game? Sure, we missed the field goal, but that is a high percentage kick and it would be incredibly stupid not to try to tie the game there. Who cares about field position when you have no timeouts?

[Pett]

hindsight is 20/20, a friend told me that one time

Not when Waters is the one sneaking it

[Trogdor]

I thought not going for it late in the 4th was the worse decision.  I know you should take points to tie, but we don't have a big legged, reliable kicker, and Sams was running at will.  We were a huge home dog with all the momentum: play to win just like you did the rest of the game.

I disagree. Unless it is late enough in the game that you know 3 points isn't enough, you should always kick the field goal if you are in field goal range and it is 4th down. I don't mind going on 4th around midfield when the only other option is punting, but there is no excuse for getting 0 points when your offense gets in field goal range.

In the position that we were in, it was 4th and 1. Only down by 3 and deep in Baylor territory and getting pretty late in the game. Even if they had not converted, the field position would have been pretty sweet for our defense to take.

You seriously wouldn't take a tie at home when the risk is almost certainly losing the game? Sure, we missed the field goal, but that is a high percentage kick and it would be incredibly stupid not to try to tie the game there. Who cares about field position when you have no timeouts?

Missing the kick tho

[Skipper44]

When your opponent has 3 50 yard+ TD, all coming on 2 and 8 or 9, it is hard for me to fault chasing the points.  If anything, we needed to be more aggressive - drops were the one most effective thing stopping BU.

[Rage Against the McKee]

When your opponent has 3 50 yard+ TD, all coming on 2 and 8 or 9, it is hard for me to fault chasing the points.  If anything, we needed to be more aggressive - drops were the one most effective thing stopping BU.

You have to have faith that your defense is going to get some stops. Every point is very important in our games because we control the clock and limit possessions. We should never risk losing out on easy points.

[pvegs]

It was a 41 yard fg, not a chip shot.  If it was any other team on our schedule but Baylor, I'm fine with the fg, but in that case play to win. Sams would have picked that up.

[michigancat]

I like going for two. I think it's under utilized by coaches.

Well, lets ask the stats dorks what the numbers say. Is it better to take the risk and just do it after every touchdown?

In the case of the first time going for two, down by 2 with 22 minutes left, we made the right decision according to this chart:

http://www.footballcommentary.com/twoptchart.htm

Basically what this says is based on the time and lead, you should go for 2 if you think you can be successful 30% of the time.

Here's another interesting read:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/12/almost-always-go-for-2-point.html

[pissclams]

i knew we weren't going to make it.  esp?

[michigancat]

I like going for two. I think it's under utilized by coaches.

Well, lets ask the stats dorks what the numbers say. Is it better to take the risk and just do it after every touchdown?

In the case of the first time going for two, down by 2 with 22 minutes left, we made the right decision according to this chart:

http://www.footballcommentary.com/twoptchart.htm

Basically what this says is based on the time and lead, you should go for 2 if you think you can be successful 30% of the time.

Here's another interesting read:

http://www.advancednflstats.com/2010/12/almost-always-go-for-2-point.html

And the second time, up by 4 with 15 minutes left, we probably should have kicked it.

[eastcat]

hindsight is 20/20, a friend told me that one time

Not when Waters is the one sneaking it

He ran his best so far this year on saturday. Probably would have got it sneaking behind the left or right guard. More so than hubert who can't run north south at all.