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[slobber]

zacker and _Fan,
Could one of you call out a couple of linemen in particular that are sucking this year? I haven't been able to rewatch any of the games, but I really would like to know. PM me if you don't want to call them out on the blog.

[kso_FAN]

zacker and _Fan,
Could one of you call out a couple of linemen in particular that are sucking this year? I haven't been able to rewatch any of the games, but I really would like to know. PM me if you don't want to call them out on the blog.

Well, I've called out the TE and to a lesser extent the FB at times. When I look at just OL, Rooks stands out, but all of them seem to have their moments. Losing Stiverson probably didn't help either, he had moved up to be a 1 on the depth chart when he got hurt.

[8manpick]

There had to be a legit reason why our line sucks, I mean how do you go from last year to now? Can 5-7 guys really take that big of a step back at the same time? I'm not buying it. And don't say it was all Klein because hubes has sucked this year and was a 1000 yd (almost) back last year

1 – effort/technique: I hate to say this cause it isn’t quantifiable or whatever, but they are just getting flat out beat and have been in every game this year.  It’s quite absurd actually.  They look awful.
2 – QB:  an actual dual threat QB puts particular pressure on an opposing defense – backside LB’s/DE’s have to hold a second, safeties have to press the LOS, DE’s can’t get so far up the field that they create running lanes, etc. all of which give an OL more time to get to the next level, better blocking angles, etc.
3 – They were never anything but good:  the OL was good, but never really as great as most make them out to be.  They had problems with active DL fronts, especially when they shifted, had a lot of trouble with simple twists – and kind of buckled on blitz pick ups (it’s just that teams didn’t do it as much because they were afraid of CK tucking and running).

All good points.

And last year in only 2 of our last 8 games did we average over 4 yards per carry.

Good God. Is that counting QB sacks as negative rushes or just designed runs and scrambles?

[slobber]

zacker and _Fan,
Could one of you call out a couple of linemen in particular that are sucking this year? I haven't been able to rewatch any of the games, but I really would like to know. PM me if you don't want to call them out on the blog.

Well, I've called out the TE and to a lesser extent the FB at times. When I look at just OL, Rooks stands out, but all of them seem to have their moments. Losing Stiverson probably didn't help either, he had moved up to be a 1 on the depth chart when he got hurt.

Thanks _Fan. I am buddies with Whitehair's dad (who was also at our tailgate in Austin, which was really awesome) and I was hoping he wasn't the first one you listed.

[catzacker]

IMO, Lucas has sucked something awful all season.

[kslim]

Also have had no real want to rewatch the games this year but what olineman is tipping plays? I keep hearing that from last year but apparently it isn't fixed

[catzacker]

Also have had no real want to rewatch the games this year but what olineman is tipping plays? I keep hearing that from last year but apparently it isn't fixed

it was last year, i believe it was lucas' outside foot position.  back and it was a pass, not as back and it was a run. something like that.  i would have thought since this was well known it would have been addressed.

[kso_FAN]

Thanks _Fan. I am buddies with Whitehair's dad (who was also at our tailgate in Austin, which was really awesome) and I was hoping he wasn't the first one you listed.

I'd say Finney is probably our most consistent and Whitehair would be a close 2nd, then Lucas.

Good God. Is that counting QB sacks as negative rushes or just designed runs and scrambles?

It includes everything. FWIW, we only had 12 sacks for -81 yards in those 8 games.

[deputy dawg]

I can imagine the film sessions when they coaches are into the OL and TEs for not holding blocks and the QB that "moves well" and "runs better than you think" is curling into the fetal position on the screen before contact.

Pretty harsh burn right there.

[kso_FAN]

I can imagine the film sessions when they coaches are into the OL and TEs for not holding blocks and the QB that "moves well" and "runs better than you think" is curling into the fetal position on the screen before contact.

Pretty harsh burn right there.

I'm a big boy, I can handle it.

[Mixed-Nutz]

Lil Gronk has really sucked it up to.

[kslim]

Also have had no real want to rewatch the games this year but what olineman is tipping plays? I keep hearing that from last year but apparently it isn't fixed

it was last year, i believe it was lucas' outside foot position.  back and it was a pass, not as back and it was a run. something like that.  i would have thought since this was well known it would have been addressed.

Fire dickey if it's still happening

[slobber]

Lil Gronk has really sucked it up to.

What's his 40 time? Any chance we should at least take Jake's carries and give them to Gronk? I mean, if Gronk is scoring touchdowns, dobber is going to be 
Can Gronk play QB?
I mean, I am just throwing darts at this point, but there has to be something fun we can do if the dumb-asses that be aren't going to give #life a chance.

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

gronk can definitely play QB

[Rage Against the McKee]

gronk can definitely play QB

I'm sure he has a solid understanding of the playbook.

[Belvis Noland]

what olineman is tipping plays?

haha.  our staff is tipping the plays.  #15 passes.  #4 runs.  Scheme it.   

[Skipper44]

I can imagine the film sessions when they coaches are into the OL and TEs for not holding blocks and the QB that "moves well" and "runs better than you think" is curling into the fetal position on the screen before contact.

Pretty harsh burn right there.

I'm a big boy, I can handle it.

the quote parts were not really a shot at FAN but at the comments from Joey Harrington and other tv types that I assume came straight from this staff.

[kso_FAN]

the quote parts were not really a shot at FAN but at the comments from Joey Harrington and other tv types that I assume came straight from this staff.

Fair enough. I know that I have said similar things and I'll claim it.

Based on what I anticipated, I'd say Waters is worse at running, better at throwing, and much worse at TOs than I thought going into the season.

[Skipper44]

1 – effort/technique: I hate to say this cause it isn’t quantifiable or whatever, but they are just getting flat out beat and have been in every game this year.  It’s quite absurd actually.  They look awful.
2 – QB:  an actual dual threat QB puts particular pressure on an opposing defense – backside LB’s/DE’s have to hold a second, safeties have to press the LOS, DE’s can’t get so far up the field that they create running lanes, etc. all of which give an OL more time to get to the next level, better blocking angles, etc.
3 – They were never anything but good:  the OL was good, but never really as great as most make them out to be.  They had problems with active DL fronts, especially when they shifted, had a lot of trouble with simple twists – and kind of buckled on blitz pick ups (it’s just that teams didn’t do it as much because they were afraid of CK tucking and running).

These points are exactly why having a dual threat is great, especially for a team taking 2 and 3 star project olineman and coaching them up.  One could go on and discuss how the threat of a big run by QB also helps undersized and/or slow WRs get open but we have all seen it for decades.

[Trim]

DJamer Wally thinks the OL problems are due to personality conflicts - the tackles are extroverted rah-rah guys, the guards are introverts, and Finney is the mom.

[Belvis Noland]

having a good dual threat move the chains and eat clock also helps keep our crap defense off the field.  It's a lot easier to "bend not break" when the offense has the ball +50% of the time.

If you want a great example of how to unsuccessfully implement a pro-style passing offense with subpar talent, look at KU.  If you've got subpar talent (KSU), you need to run the ball, slow down the game, eat clock and not turn it over.  Basically, KSU 2012-13.  Or, in other words, the exact opposite of KSU 2013-14.     

[Belvis Noland]

DJamer Wally thinks the OL problems are due to personality conflicts - the tackles are extroverted rah-rah guys, the guards are introverts, and Finney is the mom.

DJamer Wally doesn't think.  That's his problem. 

[The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep]

DJamer Wally thinks the OL problems are due to personality conflicts - the tackles are extroverted rah-rah guys, the guards are introverts, and Finney is the mom.

well thats just stuff only his hard hitting reporting and comprehensive interviewing can conclude. the rest of us are all in the dark without wally.

[lopakman]

DJamer Wally thinks the OL problems are due to personality conflicts - the tackles are extroverted rah-rah guys, the guards are introverts, and Finney is the mom.

DJamer Wally doesn't think.  That's his problem.

That's just one of his problems.  There's personality, ego, arrogance,  self-destruction etc.

[pvegs]

DJamer Wally thinks the OL problems are due to personality conflicts - the tackles are extroverted rah-rah guys, the guards are introverts, and Finney is the mom.

Lucas hates Waters and isn't afraid to tell him he sucks. That's been pretty obvious on the field. As far as mentality, going from the toughest mother rough rider you'd ever want to block for to Waters must be pretty jarring for the line.  Losing lots of games to shitty teams probably wears on you too.