Waters

[Katpappy]

I don't think I've ever noticed how shitty MBC is.  Good grief.

Pot, meet kettle. 

Edit: add this non-significant poster to the "bottom 70" that views Kim as one of, if not the worst poster on this board.

Correct, you are non-significant, and bottom 70%

What's funny about this is that there are about ten to fifteen posters on this board who are really good and then about fifty others who think they are but really aren't. I know I'm no Steve Dave or Katdaddy, but at least I don't delude myself into thinking I am... I'm done now. I'm feeling good about the 'Cats and I'm not going to let you depressing dorks bring me down.

FYP 

[Headinjun]

Waters is fine people.

Get over it.

[Katpappy]

Waters is fine people.

Get over it.

[MixBerryCrunch]

I don't think I've ever noticed how shitty MBC is.  Good grief.

Like I give a damn what some unconfident loser thinks about my posting on message board.

he doesn't care if you care, he's just saying that you're awful.

And ninety percent of this board thinks you're both awful.

ok.  not really though.

At least 30% regard Kim as at to 10% poster he is. The other 70% are the bottom 70%.

The only people who like his posts are the insecure losers who get off on going against the majority because they think it makes them superior to the rest of us in some way.

Since you're struggling on what that way is, I'll let you know. We're superior to you idiots who don't get kc because of higher intellect, greater senses of humor, and rational sensibilities. Understand now?

Trust me, you aren't. We all get exactly what he does. It's not clever or funny and it was played out a long time ago...on a sidenote you should probably see a therapist because the way you're always trying to tell everyone how much smarter you are than the rest of us makes you seem very insecure.

[Stevesie60]

Hey guys, more like BITCHBerryCrunch, amirite?

[mocat]

Seriously though, mix berry crunch, man

[bucket]

Waters is awesome 

[MakeItRain]

I don't think I've ever noticed how shitty MBC is.  Good grief.

Like I give a damn what some unconfident loser thinks about my posting on message board.

he doesn't care if you care, he's just saying that you're awful.

And ninety percent of this board thinks you're both awful.

ok.  not really though.

At least 30% regard Kim as at to 10% poster he is. The other 70% are the bottom 70%.

The only people who like his posts are the insecure losers who get off on going against the majority because they think it makes them superior to the rest of us in some way.

Since you're struggling on what that way is, I'll let you know. We're superior to you idiots who don't get kc because of higher intellect, greater senses of humor, and rational sensibilities. Understand now?

Trust me, you aren't. We all get exactly what he does. It's not clever or funny and it was played out a long time ago...on a sidenote you should probably see a therapist because the way you're always trying to tell everyone how much smarter you are than the rest of us makes you seem very insecure.

Not everyone just the morons, if my drawing a line between myself and morons bothers you, which it clearly does, consider yourself one of the morons.

[bucket]

BREAKING NEWS:: Kim Carnes is still a douche

[bucket]

MIR too 

[kim carnes]

u ok bucket?

[bucket]

u ok bucket?

 

[MixBerryCrunch]

I don't think I've ever noticed how shitty MBC is.  Good grief.

Like I give a damn what some unconfident loser thinks about my posting on message board.

he doesn't care if you care, he's just saying that you're awful.

And ninety percent of this board thinks you're both awful.

ok.  not really though.

At least 30% regard Kim as at to 10% poster he is. The other 70% are the bottom 70%.

The only people who like his posts are the insecure losers who get off on going against the majority because they think it makes them superior to the rest of us in some way.

Since you're struggling on what that way is, I'll let you know. We're superior to you idiots who don't get kc because of higher intellect, greater senses of humor, and rational sensibilities. Understand now?

Trust me, you aren't. We all get exactly what he does. It's not clever or funny and it was played out a long time ago...on a sidenote you should probably see a therapist because the way you're always trying to tell everyone how much smarter you are than the rest of us makes you seem very insecure.

Not everyone just the morons, if my drawing a line between myself and morons bothers you, which it clearly does, consider yourself one of the morons.

I'm secure enough in my intelligence that I don't need validation from posters on a football message board.  You clearly do though....but to the original point, Waters is good, the team is good and Carnes is awful. 

[Trim]

Carnes > Waters

[Emo EMAW]

Haven't read last few pages.  He gets sacked too much. 

[Bookcat]

Haven't read last few pages.  He gets sacked too much.

Klein wrecked you mentally. He spoiled the entire KSU nation....Just beyond spoiled.

[Emo EMAW]

Haven't read last few pages.  He gets sacked too much.

Klein wrecked you mentally. He spoiled the entire KSU nation....Just beyond spoiled.

I will admit that even in Saturday's ass kicking I didn't think we executed that well on offense, for the most part (by and large). 

[Dugout DickStone]

I like Waters much more than I did a few months ago.

[CNS]

Carnes > Waters

Runs like crap, tho

[DOD Take 2]

Jake Water is the definition of average. Makes dumb plays or looks bad while throwing, then makes a nice run or throws a great pass. King of inconsistency. That was the worst 24/31 performance I've seen. His stats looked great, but watching him play it felt like he was closer to 50% completions.

It's whatever. I've accepted that he's just going to play average all year. I just hope the rest of the team does enough that his average play results in 24/31 nights and not 17/31.

[slobber]

Haven't read last few pages.  He gets sacked too much.

This is what I basically said, but the infighting is ruling this thread.


Gonna win 'em all!

[420seriouscat69]

Jake Water is the definition of average. Makes dumb plays or looks bad while throwing, then makes a nice run or throws a great pass. King of inconsistency. That was the worst 24/31 performance I've seen. His stats looked great, but watching him play it felt like he was closer to 50% completions.

It's whatever. I've accepted that he's just going to play average all year. I just hope the rest of the team does enough that his average play results in 24/31 nights and not 17/31.

Jfc.

[meow meow]

i'll withhold judging Waters until after next Saturday's game.  We've only played 1 team this year, and Water's was pretty average against an average defense at home.  The 4 other teams we've played are absolute hot garbage.

[catzacker]

Haven't read last few pages.  He gets sacked too much.

Klein wrecked you mentally. He spoiled the entire KSU nation....Just beyond spoiled.

...and Bishop, Beasley, and Ell. I mean, good qb's, they should be the exception.

[mocat]

Jake Waters

Likes: 
understands and can execute back shoulder throw to Lockett even when he is well covered
seems like he makes a lot of reads/checks, our playcalling has been good so far this year imo
has underrated ability to read/hit hole and decent speed
is able to throw a good deep ball
is able to make throws/reads to keep sticks moving

Dislikes:
does not throw the ball away/takes a lot of sacks/does not step up in pocket to deliver balls/does not evade with the purpose of making a throw well when there is pressure
not good throwing on the run
accuracy issues in general
speed option reads are painful to watch
RZ execution is bad (offense as a whole)

He is not bad.  Waters possesses a key weakness that is terrifying -- he does not handle pressure well.  Because of this, teams will continue to dial up blitzes the rest of the year in the hopes they can force the TO.  The OU/TCU/UT/Baylor stretch will define Waters' career for better or worse.

As far as Waters' place in the Big 12 QB rankings.  I think there are 4 tiers and Jake is Tier 2.

Gunslinger Elites- Fast paced, offenses designed to put up huge points, talented receivers to support them, can make all the throws
Petty
Trickett

Solid Gamers- make most of the throws, can win a game for you with arm or feet, Surrounding cast is solid, Defense/ST support
Boykin
Knight
Waters

Any Given Saturday- can put up a monster day and beat you deep if your defense is off its game, high TD/high INT #'s, wannabe elites
Webb
Garman

Bad- these guys are bad at football and will cost their teams many more games than they will win
Swoopes
Richardson
KU QB carousel

Petty completed 7 out of 22 attempts vs UT, good for an 8.2 QBR